If I'd wanted to mention WWII I would have done but bash away at that keyboard!
The partitions of Poland? This is getting absurd.
I think you may need to read that comment again.
If the Russian soldiers weren't in Ukraine, they wouldn't get humiliated, now would they? Cluster munitions are being dropped on schools and shopping centres and mother watches her daughter die in the back of an ambulance and your concern is humilitaion of the invaders responsible? Just go do something very impolite, would you.
The average Pole has an equal opportunities hatred for both the Nazi and Soviet regime. 22'000 of the Polish intelligesnsia were butchered in the Katyn massacre designed to extinguish an independent Polish state forever as a going concern. That killing happened in occupied Ukraine fyi, largely in the city of Kharkiv, the place getting carpet bombed by Russia this very day.
Uncle Joe Stalin had some ok PR in the west after WW2, in Poland he never did.
Putin and the modern Russian state is fond of playing down that massacre. It rankles against their self image as the saviours of Europe in WW2.
Channel 4 News- evidence of use of cluster bombs by Russian - Russia hasn’t signed up to not using these so no surprises their using them now
You fight and keep fighting.
Bluntly Putin has ignored the Ukranians, well you keep fighting and ensure that he's dragged down and that you (Ukranians) are never ignored again.
That division of Poland between Prussia, Austria and Russia ended in 1922. Yes the German and Austrian rulers were very civilised by the standards of WW2. Don't confuse pre 1922 with 1939-45.
Statement from Russian deserter
A in Higher level History. No idea what a group cert is. Sounds like something only geriatrics would be familiar with.
What do you do if you're the Ukrainian government at this stage? Capitulate to these scumbags? Obviously no one wants to do that.
But refuse to surrender and in the process risk seeing countless thousands of your compatriots killed for a war that without outside military intervention that is clearly not coming you have no chance of winning? Not to mention the destruction of all the infrastructure, culture, etc.
An absolutely no-win situation.
What chance do Zelensky, Klitschko etc even have of getting out of Kiev alive if the city is encircled? Are they determined to go down fighting and take half the country with them?
Great to see someone making an effort. Personally I think it would be better without the music with vocals. Human brains can't paralell process so a lot of any audience will get hooked on listening to the lyrics, rather than reading the text. Dark, sombre and threatening music would better suit the subject matter.
Something more like The Art of Noise - Instruments of Darkness.
The more I think about it the more this was Putin saying “I want to negotiate with NATO”- he doesn’t give a sh1t about Ukraine- he wants to talk to the big boys - he set out to use Ukraine to get a strong negotiation position with NATO - and it’s gone tits up due to the dire sanctions and the resistance and the propaganda campaign of Ukraine
And now there’s no visible way back for him to save face- I’m worried now - there’s some green shoots with Russian Oligarchs coming out disagreeing with the invasion- hopefully they might forge a way forward
Boyd-Barrett, Murphy, Wallace, Daly et Al have been cheerleaded and promoted in the media for years. They have zip nationwide support but are constantly given platforms to for issues that the media are friendly too. When they come out with their batshit crazy things the Irish media turn a blind eye to them.
They created these monsters. I am not saying deplatform them, I don't believe in it. But FFS you can't just turn a blind eye for when they show their true colours, and promote them when they are saying things they agree with.
Group cert in your case I think.
The Geman's ran the place in a 'civilised way'? Was this during World War 2 when they butchered over 4 million Ukranian people and sent another 2.2 million of them back to Germany as nothing but slaves?
There was an Israeli man murdered yesterday, misindentified as a Chechen saboteur
https://5townscentral.com/2022/02/28/roman-brodesky-ah-tragically-killed-in-ukraine-today-in-mistaken-identity-incident/
Jesus, where does the op sympathise nazis? But it is true, my grandparents said the same thing. Germans came, ate and drank everything, 2 days later they were paid for the damage. With russians youre lucky if youre still alive and not raped. Of course if youre jew, well then its a different story. German soldiers were brainwashed just like russians today, following their orders. Watch a 'Pianist', movie based on a true story about Polish jew pianist. Nazi general helped him with food and water, hid him from other nazis. Of course its a movie you say and even if its based on true story they usually make it look better/worse, but point stands, German soldiers were less evil to regular human being than russians in our eastern european non jewish experience
edit: theres a tiny little possibility that when we were in soviet union, we didnt like mother russia, our grandparents sweetened the story, or we were a bit brainwashed aswell
What? Navalny, an opposition figure, was poisoned with Novichok in 2020. He's now residing in a Russian jail
The two men who were caught on CCTV in Salisbury on the day of Skripal poisoning, who claimed on Russian TV they were gym owners or some ****, a story which was backed by Putin, turned out to be two FSB agents (one of whom was decorated by Putin), their photographs left on the wall of the academy
You apparently know nothing about the incident, yet notice how you immediately try to cast doubt on it.
This is why people are sick of the Putinbots who come in here with their "I don't know what's going on, both sides are the same" BS.
Vhat need haf Russian of egg McMuffin?
I mean seriously, they are chalk and cheese examples when it comes to the discussion of propaganda and biased reporting of facts.
Russia is invading a completely sovereign country on the most transparent excuses imaginable and is bombing civilian centres out of sheer desperation and frustration because none of this played out like they expected, or perhaps hoped.
Their own state media aren't reporting anything remotely close to the reality of what's happening.
Ukraine bigging up the accomplishments of their armed forces to boost morale while attacking enemy morale is hardly even remotely comparable.
More generally, do Russian people actually share such a level of paranoia of their President that they think every single country in the free world is part of some enormous global conspiracy against Russia....even countries in continents outside of North America and Europe.
Russia's only true vocal allies in all of this, tiny Belarus, it's dictator saved from being overthrown by Russian intervention recently, and Syria....well, we know how that went.
The simple reality is that Russia invaded it's neighbor on a non-existant pretext, no different to the one Germany used to invade Poland. It's that black and white. That is the narrative, regardless of what fibs Ukraine is telling in terms of its defense capabilities/achievements.
Everything, anything, that seeks to question or deflect that actual narrative, is just whataboutery.
“Some” oppression. Lol.
Katyn massacre. Pure savages
Kharkiv, Kherson and Mariupol are now likely encircled by Russian forces now and Kyiv will also be soon, we are about to witness multiple synchronized massacres across a country, the like of which has not been seen since WW2 or the Balkans war on a smaller scale, genocide?
FWIW the above post is pretty much letter perfect an example of what many if not most of the Russians I've known think to one degree or another. It's a near perfect script and doesn't require bots. The bot thing in many ways is a red herring. They don't really need them.
This is a good example of their WW2/Great patriotic war propaganda that never went away*.
It is now popular to say that Russia attacked Poland in WW2. I would say it was attacked but there were some reasons for it. How things would go if Russia did not attack Poland with Germany? Not sure, but splitting Poland makes some sense in terms of future German expansion eastward.
The stuff they've grown up listening to has developed a twisted logic all of its own that somehow makes sense. To them. This is what you end up when a people are lied to for generations and from birth. I mean you can get many millions to buy into a virgin birth so... Note he says: I would say it was attacked but there were some reasons for it. You could not make that level of cognative dissonance up. Imagine a German of today saying the same thing about carving up Poland but from their side? He probably glosses over the near end of the war Warsaw uprising where the Soviets were suspiciously keen to let it go on without them. Nor that Hitler and Stalin, both inhuman pricks had agreed to carve up the place before the war kicked off, or how Stalin crapped himself when the Germans invaded Russia, sat in Moscow with his special train running to get him to the East. Or how his purges cut the best heads of the Russian army even before the war. Their official history has him as this amazing strategist who brought the Germans into a pincer movement by clever thinking. Never mind that carving Poland up would have had little effect as a barrier to the Nazis. Try looking at a map with open eyes.
*Now the West has its own propaganda too of course. The Yanks think they won the European war and Hollywood thinks they won everything. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Great film, but I'm surprised the Germans were even in it. The British turned a total ballsup like Dunkirk where their army was squarely trounced and they had to run away. Claim the Battle of Britain was a close run thing(it wasn't. They would have tried hard to lose it and very nearly did). They also handily forget how they treated the Poles and Czechs after the war, including men and women that fought for them. The French make much of their famed resistance and if there were 20 men and women in it you'd be lucky and many of them weren't French. The Italians prefer to forget the whole thing and the Japanese got amnesia handed to them by the Americans, when it suited. Hell we Irish have our own. If the number of people whose great grandparents were in the GPO in Easter 1916, the queue to get into O'Connell street would have stretched to Wicklow town.
However the singular fundamental difference is I can say all of the above in the West, I can point to sources, I can publish a book, say it on telly, say it on here, rant away to my heart's content and I won't have a member of the KGusedtoB at my door. Worst crap I'll get is a downvote on reddit. So tell me Komrade, could I say similar in Mother Russia about the bull that's taken as fact there? Yeah, good luck with that.
Saw on to last nite a briefing meeting between Putin and two of his top army/navy/ air officers. The two of the. Looked very burly , 65 to 70+ year old, well fed looking, etc, etc. they looked the part - very serious look on their faces . It was not the three individuals that struck me . . What struck me was the long table strategy again . It was nearly as long as the Macron meeting one and it was SQUARE. The second point that jumped out was that the two officers were at the VERY OPPOSITE END of the table - specifically the very last two chairs on the right hand side while Putin sat at the far end of the table. The only reason I think for those ‘positions ‘ to be taken up was because Putin was afraid that he might have been strangled by one/ both of them. If either of the two ‘boys’ made an ‘unexpected ‘ move - especially towards Putin , either by a movement indicating that a gun might be produced , l
dashing towards him to strangle him, he Putin, would have some time to duck, make good his escape, or whatever
the meeting was also in a huge big room.
or was the whole thing a setup to keep us all guessing what kind of a condition he has, etc
it was such a weird looking meeting
the only clue to it being choreographed/staged was the fact that they forgot to use their hearing aids - because of their ages surely at least one of the six ears needed a hearing aid. Also none of the six eyes apparent.y needed glasses - no sign of a glass case in front of any of them. No sign of bottled water in sight AND on the understanding that Putin is paranoid about catching Covid there was not a mask in sight. The two BIG BOYS at the end were sitting beside eachother
There certainly was oppression under communism. However, some of it was precisely due to historical nazi collaboration and sympathizing which again resurfaced after soviet union collapse. You may want to do some reading about stuff like Latvian legion, 1st Lithuanian SS division and UPA with Bandera in ukraine, Slovak republic during the WWII... Plenty of collaborators and what is even worse these ideas are resurfacing in all of mentioned countries without much of a protest from "democratic" western states.
Sweet Jeebus, the Russians really don't know what they are up against. Tank fires at your window, hmmm, maybe I can still watch from the other one!
Do you mean it stands for 'Soldier'? I do not imply this meaning, and like somebody already checked my account was created in 2018. If it is against any Boards rules, can you please point what the rule is and what exactly offended you?
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