Russia - threadbanned users in OP

You fight and keep fighting.

Bluntly Putin has ignored the Ukranians, well you keep fighting and ensure that he's dragged down and that you (Ukranians) are never ignored again.

I think you may need to read that comment again.

If I'd wanted to mention WWII I would have done but bash away at that keyboard!

Play the ball not the man- if you have an issue with any of my points then debate them. Not run immediately for the gutter of insults.

I think you're mistaking my perspective. I don't think there's no objective truth about the facts of whats happeningat the moment. Events are happening and there are facts about those events, but how are we going to find the facts? In a war, I don't think anyone is obliged to relay the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Neither our own side or the enemy is obliged to do that and I don't expect either of them will do it. Do you think the Ukranians will give a warts and all account of what's happening? I don't, nor do i expect the Russians to do so. So how do you or I find out the facts?

The second point, which i think you're missing, is that there are overarching narratives which both sides tell themselves to paint themselves as the hero. These only need to be based on a kernel of truth and the rest can be complete storytelling, using selected facts from current events, or just lies, to fit the narrative. Knowing that narrative of both your own side and the enemy's side is important.

But back to the first point, how do you and I, as people thousands of miles away from the events, try to find out the objective truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth? I'm not sure it's possible in a warzone but you seem to think you can find it so, how would you do it?

I am certain at this stage that Putin has lost his mind. Judging by some politicians that have meet him in recent times they are thinking the same thing. Like it or not, looks like Europe will have to face him down as if he gets away with his maniacal war in Ukraine he will turn to the rest of us in due time. A no-fly zone being enforced over Ukraine is the first step.

Time to completely blank all fanatics on the ultra-left supporting the madman putin.

cant enforce a no fly zoe over Ukraine with WW3

Warsaw government is taking over some Soviet buildings that were not returned back when the Iron Curtain felt in 1989 despite of Polish court verdicts. Those properties will be used to accommodate the refugees.

Nah, mine was an explanation of how the Poles feel about Germany. It's mostly benign historically and currently as against their visceral hatred of Russia for that nearly 200 years of brutality. If you want to swirl that all around in six years of history, extremely shameful history no question, you are most welcome.

Beating around the bush.

An aggressor, Russia, has invaded a sovereign state and is currently killing civilians. What is preventing you from judging this extremely harshly? I'm genuinely curious. The hard left in 2003 were marching on the streets:

Richard Boyd Barrett, head of the Irish anti-war movement, said the unprecedented size of the rally would force the government to listen. 'They cannot ignore what has taken place in Dublin. This is the people saying that enough is enough, we want the US military out of Ireland and we don't want this evil war.'

The hard left when Russia illegally invades a democratic state: "ah now, we can't be making any rash judgements here"

Moral bankruptcy.

I wouldn’t bet on it. A severe energy crises in Europe could change things quick.

What makes you think of don't judge it extremely harshly?

Long paragraphs waffling about not being able to find out the truth.