Sinn Fein stand with Russia again, who would have thought it?
Sinn Fein will stand with any despot and tyrant once it is an 'enemy' of the UK or our own government. They are a troll political party.
I think one of the reasons the war began in the first place is NATO reneging on pledges given. Noam Chomsky explains it here. Enflaming the situation has NOT and is not the way forward.
It's gas to see the reaction to actual facts being presented.
There is nothing inherently wrong in Sinn Fein adopting a position that the EU is a horrible monster and have been bullying Russia and Russia are fully entitled to protect their territorial integrity by invading Ukraine. After all, that is what Russia are saying. However, what is wrong is pretending that Sinn Fein don't hold that view, that they never held that view and that they were really supporting Ukraine all along.
Sinn Fein lack the courage to be consistent in their foreign policy, the real lesson to learn from the last week is that they are likely to bow down to the latest populist approach to international affairs.
... and we are back with blaming NATO for the conflict while trying to deflect from Sinn Fein's own crimes in relation to the conflict.
Noam Chomsky FFS!
So are you saying that Sinn Fein are correct to support the Russian invasion of Ukraine to protect their territory?
Would Britain therefore have been justified invading Ireland if we had joined the Warsaw Pact in the 1950s in breach of our promises of neutrality? From your arguments to date, the logic would suggest that, yes, you would have supported a British invasion in such circumstances.
The fact that Sinn Fein have opposed any and all actual actions being taken against Russia until the last week? Or the fact that you've been repeating Russian propaganda to try and deflect from SF's poor record on Russia?
Gas it most certainly is 😂
You're right. How dare Ukraine, an independent, democratic, sovereign state, feel they have the right to determine the best course of action for their own country. It's really their own fault they got invaded, they shouldn't have been getting friendly with western democracies, they should have known it would make Russia unhappy.
This is a frankly bizarre position to take, particularly from someone who claims to be a republican.
In fairness, everything is a knee jerk reaction or comment and never thought through.
Like, what in God's name does Naom Chomsky have to do with Left Group, which SF is part of, voting in Putin's favour!?
Oh, that's right, it's just another deflection tactic.
Orga SF leading from the front when it comes to disgraceful antics....
Elaine Loughlin: Sinn Féin's soft stance on Russia is clearly on the record (irishexaminer.com)
for clarity , lots of quotes facts and dates on sf and its support of Russia
also i wouldn't be using your old accounts to show your evolving political views , posting pictures of ira sniper victims for a laugh is a bad look at any stage pal
Delusional misrepresentation now. A new low.
That is the logic of your support for Russia. Russia (UK) is a Great Power bullying its smaller independent neighbour Ukraine (Ireland) and you and Sinn Fein have no problem with that.
Who has 'no problem' with that? That is an outright lie about me now as you have been asked to clarify and you have repeated it.
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I'm a voter. Win me over to the Darkside or do you just do pointless quips?
Can you support this?
Show SF supporting the invasion. Childish efforts at this point.
I think it's more that SF have grossly miscalculated what russia would do and are now firmly on the wrong side of history.
They could be moving their MEP to another group, apologise for voting against the resolutions and re-affirmed their commitment to the EU, it would be a volte-face but an understandable one.
They haven't done any of these things and it looks unlikely that they will, which is a sign of very weak leadership (privately MLM must be trying to do more here).
So he made it up. Very serious claim to play around with. Using the plight of the Ukrainians for sport.
the darkside ? lol bruice all ive ever done on this thread is point out the things that sf try to hide
if there is a darkside that is where it is
ps , another example of evasion when asked for clarification
I answered as best I could. I don't know SF in fine detail. Also I'm not interested in getting into the minutiae of it.
Will I respond at the same level as you and say, so you've no redeeming points to give on current health and housing, understood.
You have given a very clear example of what Sinn Fein could do to get themselves back on the right side of history.
It is incredible to think that as recently as December 2021 they voted against a European Parliament motion that "expresses its solidarity with the people of Ukraine, who have suffered greatly since 2014 as a result of the war, accompanied by a severe economic crisis, and are now living under the threat of a full-scale military offensive threatening the lives of all its citizens".
Hold.on, so you think Ukraine shouldn't be allowed decide for itself who it can and cannot join?
then again im not proposing that a quasi terrorist/criminal organization be given power in Ireland
Just the ones we are use to?
If I thought SF in power would be snipering my neighbours or stealing racehorses I'd not vote for them. Same way I won't vote for proven crony incompetents with no plans to help the tax payer be he looking for a roof or lying dying on a trolley.
You could argue that SF were implicitly supporting russia by not voting for the resolution against them (well most people would, some people will try and twist it to their own ends). The condemnation only came after the invasion began.
SF could be doing multiple things to get back on the right side here but have done none of them, for whatever reason.
Do you feel the same about the Greens? I don't see you raising that. Is it just SF you're after?
I think they were wrong. But I don't see why they should change a vote in hindsight. Might as well ask FG to do the same regarding voting against sanctions against Saddam.
Why would I raise that about the Greens here? There is a government thread for that if you want to do so.
SF should be apologising for the (fairly consistent) positions they took previously, getting themselves out of the MEP Left grouping would be a good first step.
