An article from CTC at West Point.
Russian propaganda also?
Maybe a glimmer
Ill advised but isn’t thst what you'd say of any invasion? I doubt anyone really thought the world reaction would be so unified or so quick.
Maybe I'm missing it but I think this is a normal invasion and the abnormal thing is the world's reaction to it.
What a speech by the Austrian delegate.. Amazing.
Headline in the Guardian live coverage of Ukraine just now: "Putin "willing to consider" halting attacks on civilians, says France"
This is an implicit admission that they are targeting civilians, and furthermore from recent video evidence it is in the form of artillery bombardment of residential areas in Kharkiv. This is straightforward War-crime stuff, and Vlad should appear in an orange jumpsuit in the Hague.
Quite apart from that he is probably lying and hasn't the least notion of stopping killing civilians.
I don't see a practicable way in which Crimea comes back to Ukraine unless it is part of some neutralised federal state.
I doubt he admitted to killing civillians. Probably Guardian sub-editor's interpretation.
There's far right extremists in every country you care to mention, including the one you're posting from now. None of them have been part of the government of Ukraine.
You made a well-known Kremlin propaganda claim about "Nazis in government", you even referenced an individual you claimed was part of the government. This is used as a pretext for war and is provable garbage.
You're swallowing and barfing Kremlin propaganda. Start the engine on your critical faculties.
Absolutely you give an inch to a dictator like Putin he will take a mile. Best way to deal with a bully is to face them down. Yes the nukes complicate things and make it more scary but he will just keep acting the same way if we don't. At the moment Paper Bear has been weakened and it is the time to deal with this regime.
Maybe not so positive...
And how exactly do they plan to get them back?
Besides a full reclaim, I think a return to status quo but with international peacekeepers in the "disputed" areas where they could carry out proper referendums in the future could be the very best that Ukraine could hope for (theoretically). Obviously in reality Putin would never accept that.
did you see who the main funder of Azov is? strange times we are livng in when a Jew is funding neo nazis.
Genuine question - do you see Ukraine winning this war?
While I would like them to, I dont see it being realistic. If there isnt some negotiated ceasefire, this could go on for weeks and months even with 1000s dead.
Flown out via China or Turkey, if they can get some pilots into the country, that is...
Unfortunately I suspect Putin is more likely to escalate attacks on civilians then the reverse given things have not gone as he wanted so far. I hope I am completely wrong but I think that may very well be coming.
And where are these people who would love to see Ukrainians kill themselves? Because the only ones I see are warmongerers who would love Ukrainians to fight until the last man even if it will accomplish nothing.
It should include access to the black sea. We are constantly giving Putin the advantage of being the aggressor, the price for aggression should not be just retreating back to previous position, he should lose something significant, otherwise there is only incentive for future aggression.
Yep, it's like looking at Ming Flanagan and stating the Irish government are a bunch of pothead lefties.
How the hell can they enter the negotiations in good faith when the Russians are using cluster bombs against civilian areas?
If he supposed to have said to Macron that they would stop killing civilians, that is an implicit admission. It's so easy to let the mask slip and the truth out. No excuses.
Vladimir Putin says and Vladimir Putin is an honourable man....
I see.
Read out by Ukrainian ambassador to the UN, my God.
An attack on Belarus is an attack on Russia, no state would be dumb enough to do that with the threat of nuclear war hanging overhead.
I get the parallels some people see to 1939, but do you really think it will go beyond Ukraine? Putin can and will not attack any NATO or EU member as that leads to nuclear retaliation and the end of Russia (and most of the civilized world). NATO cannot put boots on the ground in Ukraine either for the aforementioned reason. All they can do is supply Ukrainians (and unofficially supply volunteer troops). It won't be enough to win the war, and will just result in thousands more dying.
Negotiations can bring a swifter end to what is needless bloodshed - in the end the result will be the same. If anything the fact that Putin only holds less than 1/3 of Ukraine right now would be a negotiation point for the Ukrainian govt, but as Russia advances further and further into the country their negotiating point gets weaker.
well, I certainly wouldn't be starting any invasions. But this was not Operation Barbarossa - parroting others here, but the nature of the invasion suggests they thought that Ukraine would roll over and happily accept them. Which is at best a pretty dodgy reading of the situation.
But, even if you can argue an invasion is rational if he wants to add Ukraine to Russia - how is that in and of itself even a sensible idea? I am admittedly surprised (and pleased) by the level of sanctions but it was always going to hurt somewhat. While he may not be "mad" he appears disconnected from the world.
Its a fake from 2ch lol
Is it legit?
They're fighting for the survival of their state and their democracy.
Easy know the people who would let freedoms and the rule of law be torn up without a shot fired. Peace at any price gave us Hitler and WW2, and this is not a Godwin, because this is the ledge we're looking over.
I wouldn't accept it in my society and I don't expect Ukrainians to accept it.
The only warmongerers on this thread are those taking a perverse delight at the prospect of a democratic sovereign nation folding under tank fire and air raids. And the Eastern flank of the EU, all of our collective security and prosperity under peril.
Ukrianians appear thankfully made of different stuff.
Proof!!??, hard to imagine the ambassador reading it out to the UN if so.
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