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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A supranational trading bloc with strong governance and financial oversight, but more to the point is involved in massive support for its members. Ukraine joining would be a massive drain on the communal funds, and would give Europe no extra access to the natural resources of Ukraine, nor control over them. It is a stupid throwaway comment that makes no sense, looking for nefarious motives when the actual motives are completely clear.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Probably an agreement done behind the scenes to quietly forget about the recent Swiss Bank leak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,191 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I've seen a bunch of Russian news reports and if anything it has just given me a better idea of just how little reliable news is officially available to the Russian people. Nobody casting a critical eye on this **** would be fooled by state-sanctioned news items when we have access to counter-propaganda here that Russians may not have easy access to. It teaches people not to buy into the information overload.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Sanctions are one thing. Members of the EU saying they want Ukraine fast tracked is nothing but an attempt to rile Putin up while not following EU membership process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russia are isolated and denying 36 countries access to their airspace, this will make travel across the world nightmarish

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is support for a country in Europe being invaded.

    "fast-track" is also something completely without definition. It does not mean they will join tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If we just sit and blindly believe all propaganda we would be sitting here scratching our heads wondering why Ukraine arent winning this war with their ace pilots and super soldiers - if you believe the lies then discussion is pointless because you arent even dealing in facts anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,568 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    More difficult and inconvenient. But certainly not “nightmarish”. I’d personally put my safety above some flight disruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The EU are attempting to provoke a withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine without directly getting into an armed conflict.

    Whether or not the EU will actually engage a fast-tracking process is a different discussion. But if starting to build such a process can force a Russian withdrawal without dragging anyone else into the conflict, then it should absolutely be looked at.

    I don't see why the rest of the planet should take kid gloves with Putin at this stage and avoid trying to piss him off. Whatever can be done to push Russian forces back with minimal loss of life, should be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ukraine does not currently meet any criteria I can think of for membership of the EU bith societal and economic, it would take probably at least 20 years of development to get anywhere close.

    They all know it's not realistic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    So the EU gets nothing out of it? Why are they so desperate for them to join then?

    North Macedonia applied in 2004. Serbia applied in 2009. Not accepted yet, but Ukraine hasn't even applied and EU members are saying they should be allowed join?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    As one poster has already mentioned, you are indeed embarrassing yourself. You are posting with the glee and new-found wonder of a teenager excitedly playing Call of Duty all day while searching for soundbites on Wikipedia and, oh my, Galway Beo ( that pillar of Journism run by the same fantastic folks that run the bastion of hard hitting writing, Dublin Live).

    Do give it a rest. We all know that the thoughts of needless destruction due to WMD's gives you a little stiffy but, as someone who has seen the wanton destruction of Russian forces from the wrong end, its not all the wide-eyed fascination you imagine it to be.

    The majority of posters on this forum are well educated in the technicalities of the military arena without having to be 'educated", by yourself. No offence, like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    No worries - just thought I'd missed something. It will be big news if/when Turkey deny access to the black sea. No doubt there'll be retaliation on Turkey's Eastern border with Syria through Russian proxies.

    The Russian subs are lurking near major targets all over no doubt in their state of heightened readiness, nothing unusual though. US ones do the same, as do the circling bombers over Poland and the Arctic. That's just what they do, sit there waiting for an order that never comes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Wonder what is the best Ukraine could accept in any deal because they are going to be slaughtered if this goes on .Waiting for Putin to be replaced looks like a long shot at the moment .Seems to me there is no way they will hold them off .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    His username suggests he has at least built up some useful survival skills for a postapocalyptic world...



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, I can only speak for myself but no contingencies can be made, because everyone gets wiped out - and there's an argument to be said you're better off going instantly in the initial nuclear blast than surviving during the fallout period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I think it's a great move to show solidarity. Other European countries are next on the chopping block if Putin succeeds in Ukraine.

    If you are annoyed with that stance from the EU, fine. We know for sure that weakness only encourages Putin, the only alternative is to be strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The reason they invaded is because the pro Russian government was toppled and they've been getting closer to the west.

    The threat of Ukraine joining the EU isn't going to get them to back off, if anything it'll be worse because if they signed on the dotted line then they could bomb Ukraine into the 3rd world and leave the EU to pay for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Russia has already said Finlands security and stability is tied to their stance on not joining Nato. If Finland go to join Nato, Russia will do similar there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭wingnut32


    Sky News reporting that FIFA are about to suspend Russian indefinitely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Another individual story:

    "Until this week Daniel Mediakovskyi was a history student in the Ukrainian city of Lviv. Since Sunday, however, he has been sticking rubber bands and plastic tops on to home-made bombs. “It’s practical history. It’s time for this right now,” he explained, loading another molotov cocktail into a crate.

    Around him, about a dozen students and young creative professionals stood around a makeshift table. All wore masks and washing-up gloves. Each had a role in a busy production line. The basement bomb factory smelled strongly of petrol and paint remover – two molotov ingredients, along with polystyrene and silver dust.

    Mediakovskyi – who is 20 – said his mother had woken him early last Thursday to tell him Russia had invaded Ukraine. “I knew it was going to start. My hands started shaking,” he said. After spending a day doom-scrolling on social media, he decided he would try to help.

    “My parents know I’m volunteering. I haven’t told my granny. She’s worried enough about things already,” he admitted. He acknowledged that a molotov wouldn’t stop the mighty Russian army. But he stressed: “It will break Russian soldiers mentally, and show them they are not welcome here.”"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Go on....ask me if I'm paid in Rubles or Rupees.....you know you want to, you comedic genius.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    They look like people that could get the wheels in motion to start conversation around something. No doubt, very intelligent people in their own right. Body language is clearly saying WTF.

    Right now, they are looking at it from the perspective of their own portfolios, but also they are asking questions internally of how it's at the point it's at. That's all on Putin.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This seems to be spiralling something serious. This amount of measures being taken and the rapid alignment of countries is like the start of section of a history book just after the introduction.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What in the name of god, having seen the invasion of Ukraine, makes you think Russia is remotely capable of doing similar there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We've already seen what he does to non-NATO members, so they better hurry up and join NATO then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    🙄

    Well, that's where you're wrong, because I don't necessarily believe every piece of propaganda or stat coming out of Ukraine. I can, as I think most of us can, understand the phrase 'fog of war'. It's certainly been bandied about enough lately to really read up on it, anyway. My point is that if the story of the Ghost of Kiev rouses the Ukrainian side, it is valuable whether strictly true or not.

    This is an escalating crisis with a potentially irrational actor on one side. There will (maybe) be time afterwards to look over the data and see who really did what, where and when. For now, we have to get off the fence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Russian in the chair in thd UN just said they control Chernobyl because they were concerned about a 'dirty bomb' in Ukraine's hands. Atomic agency from Vienna is monitoring the site and the radiation remains low.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Would you not even dig a hole in a garden and put a bit of a corrugated iron over it?



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