No, the most anti closer integration maybe. You still haven't shown us any current policy that indicates they would do what an anti-EU party would do, which is take us out.
Closer integration?
How about just joining the EEC in the first place?
ffS 😁😁
if somebody else did that on another party thread about previous policy, you'd faint with the conniptions and hot flushes. ROFL
i doubt it francie ,
my post is clear accurate and correct , if you disagree report it
Given that they have opposed every single referendum, the onus would be on those who claim they have changed.
Are they looking to leave = No
Do they fully take part as MEP's = Yes
Have they a Single policy that could be construed by even the most sceptical as Anti-EU = IMO No and nobody here has posted anything to show otherwise.
Why would I report something that I couldn't understand? Was it an insult?
I would separate out the two incidents, they did not kill Mountbatten for those reasons thus the apology is not for those reasons.
its a statement of fact , francie
you and other posters regularly demand the same
The same what?
It is difficult to reduce credibility when you have so little but that was a fair effort at it.
How you can claim that a vote on a treaty is not a vote on being pro or anti the EU is beyond me. The premise of the EU is an ever closer Union, and Sinn Fein have consistently opposed that since the very start.
If they have changed, it is only since Brexit, which only shows up further the real poverty of their thinking. If the Brits are for it, we're against it, if the Brits are against it, we're for it. Opposition for opposition's sake.
scroll up francie its a very clear post
So if you vote against a Treaty you are anti-EU? There are an awful lot of countries, MEPS and parties in the EU who are anti it, so.
Just like anywhere the EU needs strong oppositin and freedom to criticise and believe things can be done better. Brexit has forced the EU to take a long hard look at reform, which is a good thing.
By the late 90's SF were a pro EU party, Mary Lou was one of the first two MEP's elected for them on a pro platform...long long before Brexit.
SF will run this country differently (I hope or they lose my vote) I don't see why they are proscribed from wanting to see the EU run differently. That doesn't make them anti-Ireland or the EU
I am sure there are examples of pro-Europeans who voted against a particular Treaty here or there, but find me one who voted and campaigned against every single EU Treaty.
I'll be waiting.
Yes, the single policy is that they have opposed every single EU referendum and EU Treaty that has ever been held. A single singular policy that has lasted through time.
Find me an anti-EU policy that they have blanch. Then we can discuss something tangible...like proof that they are anti-EU.
I have read their policy on the EU and I see them preface their thinking with support for Ireland in the EU and co-operation with our European neighbours.
I have given it to you in spades - opposed every single Treaty since the foundation of the EU. Find me a pro-EU party that has done the same.
Dont forget SFs tactics ten years ago, supporting parties like Syriza who were actively threatening to leave the EU/euro without paying its debts.
The treaties are put out there to vote on. SF have a very clear view on where they want the EU to go...an EU they want to be part of. We got assurance on one of those treaties precisely because we rejected it...democracy at work.
Try again. Let us see anti- EU thoughts in policy form.
An EU they want to be part of by rejecting EU votes ten times.....
They have never advocated a yes vote on any EU treaty.
So you can't find another example. Well that's that then, Sinn Fein are uniquely the pro-EU political party that has opposed every EU Treaty and every EU referendum since the foundation of the EU. The webs you weave.
The difference between us is I took the time to read why they opposed, and they had valid reason on the direction the EU was taking. Some of the same issues the EU promised to look at reforming after Brexit. So the pro EUers may have been right all along. The webs the webs!
That's wrong. In the one referendum about leaving - what side were they on mark?
Kind of like how SF is 'anti-war' while being a political party of a terrorist group who waged war for 30 years....?
Nobody believes this non-sense.
Its blatent propaganda.
Did you vote no to every EU referendum as well? ;)
Nope, voted yes to them all, first time.
So why are you defending SF's record here, when you disagreed with them ten times in the past.
Where did I defend it? I read their objections and they were valid even though I disagreed. Is that possible in the world you live in?
Also I paid little attention to them policy wise at the time, I didn't vote for SF until the last GE as I have repeatedly and consistently said.
In 3 years time in 2025 I am sure you will most likely vote for them which is fine thats the great thing about living in a free and democratic country which we sometimes take for granted.
Can I ask what do you will think change in your life if SF do manage to form a government on a day to day basis? What is so wrong with life now you think a new Government in 3 years will impact you?
How true. Imagine living where you couldn't vote and the authorities actively suppressed your rights while massacring men women and children. You could see how it could make some want to take up arms.
If I may, we have a number of decade long crises the current lot are happy to make worse. Much of it wouldn't effect me personally, but that's empathy for you.
