I mention, which is backed up by the available evidence, that SF are the most anti-EU, anti-NATO and pro-Putin party on this island.
Being the SF thread, and not the Russia or Ukraine thread it belongs here.
Seeing as the usual crowd have nothing to counter with, I guess the point is conceded.
I'd contest that, but there is a mod warning.
One can talk about SF in the SF thread, but I guess you want to drag it off-topic, which is the usual deflection mechanism and tactic.
The latter has a mod warning alright. I guess the point is still conceded since you cannot do the latter....
It's typical SF behaviour here. Take any criticism and pit it down to polling well. We hear all the time to debate SF on their policies, not the troubles. When we do it's the same deflection tactics.
Have look through the SF voting records in the EU. They have abstained against motions calling for the Kazakhstan government to stop shooting protesters, abstained or voted against calling out human rights abuses wherever Russia have influence. As mentioned above Marylou going on the Kremlin's mouthpiece calling out NATO and the EU.
Sinn Feins foreign policy aligns with North Korea, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela more than it does with democracies around the world. That is concerning. While they may have the upper hand on domestic issues foreign policy will be in the spotlight for the next while and it may see a swing back to the parties who believe in international relations with democraticly elected heads of state and not the gang of dictators SF seem to side with.
Although I wonder what influence the New York Tent will have on SF foreign policy surely those "rich white men in suits" that Boylan likes calling out are not paying $500 a ate for dinner with MaryLou and expect nothing in return if she becomes Taoiseach.
Sinn Fein have opposed every single EU referendum. It isn't a stretch to say there are huge questions about their commitment to the EU Treaty imperative of closer co-operation.
It is chilling alright. The Irish people should be aware of this before the next election before we have SF Irish government reps being friends with despotic regimes. It could mark the biggest foreign policy shift in decades. We have a right to know.
But but but... they are pro-EU!
Kind of like how they are anti-war.... yet sell t-shirts online proclaiming the PIRA were undefeated.
Haven't seen them afraid to answer any question asked of them on EU committments.
Are you sure this isn't a case of you not getting the answer you want?
I cannot challenge the point because to make it I would have to break the mod warning.
Exactly, you are quite correct on the policy issue.
We have been hearing for a long time that we should debate policy, but when we do, lies are told by the Sinn Fein defenders on that as much as on everything else.
Of course, you can challenge it but you can keep it on topic, which is SF.
For example, you can prove how SF didn't reject every single EU treaty?
I guess the river has run dry.
😁 Why would I have to prove something I know happened?
There isn't a party on the island that hasn't evolved through time.
If you can show anti-EU policy now in SF, perhaps 'prove that' because I can't see it.
It would be a bit like me on another party thread insisting they were anti SSM because they were 20 years ago. Parties evolve, I'm happy that SF are pro EU as I am. So I can vote for them on that
Well given that SF has never advocated for a Yes vote on any EU treaty or referendum, they have not evolved at all really from their anti-EU origins.
That is just the fact.
SF are and always have been an anti-EU party. It will take a lot to change that.
Simplistic and not proof of being anti-EU.
The hold votes because it is a democratic union. France, The Netherlands etc have rejected treaties...they anti-EU?
Just because you keep saying they are anti-EU doesn't make it so I'm afraid. Show me a policy of theirs that recommends taking us out of it, then we can talk.
You are telling people not to use material that counters your click bait.
Where were the government parties when civilians were being massacred in NI? All many had was SF and the SDLP.
We have online loolahs tweeting about SF supporting the invasion. Its worrying that we have such rabid and demented people, some in government, willing to use the Ukrainian conflict in such a shameless manner.
Smell of desperation of these series of rants.
I think they have somehow convinced themselves that they get to dictate that everything stays exactly the same if a new party comes to power.
I am talking about the party Francie, not the country.
Ive done the point over an over again, but it is simply a lie to state that SF are pro EU, they are anti EU.
The facts are clear on this.
What click bait and what material?
Again, diverting away from the point I was trying to make and rattle on about the government or the SDLP for the sake of it.
No actual counter to the points I made, which is very very telling.
As soon as the same posters cannot bring up other parties or politicians or 'whatabout' anything else, they are left with nothing to defend their beloved SF with.
So show us it in their policy.
You can't because they aren't.
Show us a time they advocated a yes vote for any EU treaty.....
Votes on treaties are not votes on being pro or anti the EU. The Brexit referendum was one of those.
I would assume anyone who was anti the EU would be proposing an in/out ref. Off you go now and find us where they have proposed such a vote in a referendum.
you and other posters regularly demand the same on many issues in this very thread , to prove something that is known to have happened , in fact its the default position of many accounts with a particular party loyalty
Sorry?
Votes on an EU treaty is not a proxy for being anti or pro-EU?
Oh god, we have another one for the list to be referenced to later.
There have been ten separate times the people of Ireland got to vote on an EU treaty or referendum and SF have asked us to say no TEN times!!!!
Not once
Not twice
Not three or four times....
TEN times!!
The most anti-EU party on the Island of Ireland bar none, SF are.
I might lay off this thread. Its full of News of the World type click bait. Also some are not allowed discuss some things while others clearly are.
One can discuss anything related to SF as per the thread title.
So far we are discussing how SF has a history of anti-EU, anti-NATO and pro-Putin utterances from the past.
For example:
Today the EU has banned Russia Today from broadcasting within the EU because of the lies they have spread. SF members have often appeared on RT to give their opinion on matters geopolitical and EU and oftentimes they are critical of the EU and NATO on these shows, something the Kremlin loves to use and repeat as part of their state-sponsored propaganda. These talking points are repeated here oddly.
Here is SF leader MLMD last year appearing on RT.
Not sure if the link will work as RT is now banned, but you get the gist. SF will always align themselves with the despicable if there are some votes in it for them and they get some kudos from the 'up da Ra' people at home.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eQ_BjoTtvK4J:https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/516421-northern-ireland-brexit-showdown/+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=auI
