I've never known a fan of American sports to switch off when I've mentioned conferences.
If you want an awful system just look at the current football championship.
One team can win just two games to get to a QF, others need to win a max of three.
All because of geography and pre Norman politics.
In the qualifiers a team that wins a provincial preliminary round but loses a provincial quarter final ends up in the same round of the qualifiers as the team they beat in the provincial preliminary.
I'm not advocating for the old system either as I made clear so I don't know why you are listing off it's problems as a way to show how "great" the new system is.
Jeez man, 2 or 3 teams that have had a poor league might or might not be in this situation, and have to hope that a weaker team doesn't make a prov final but thats it, it's hardly going to be a time consuming issue for many
I suppose all we can do is wait and see now. But I feel very certain this will prove to be unpopular.
You make it sound like you'd need an excel spreadsheet to keep track of it. It's pretty straightforward really.
I like it overall. It keeps the provincials in place, which is not great to be honest but necessary to get the provinces on board, as well as finally clearly linking the league to the overall championship. It's not perfect but perfection isn't possible.
I think it will need clear branding also to link all the competitions together (league, provincials, All Ireland) as one single championship and proper promotion by the GAA. I mean the league kicks off this weekend and you'd hardly know about it.
Division 2 teams have already started their fight for a place in Sam and a lot of people blissfully unaware.
What??
Maybe try a proper question and I can answer. Which bit of that statement do you not agree with ?
Well it won't come into effect until 2023 "if" it passes Congress.
Right fair enough. So are we on the pre super 8 format + TC for this season. If so is it promoted div 3 or relegated div 2 that plays in Sam
It's all very hard to follow as I said before 😆
The Green proposal wouldn't come in till 2023.
Right now the Tailteann (sp) Cup is also a thing.
It's been a think since 2020 but COVID delayed it.
Relegated teams from Div 2 only get to play in the qualifiers if they get to a provincial final.
Obviously they get to a quarter final if they win that provincial final.
All other Div 2 teams and Div 1 teams plus the promoted teams from Div 3 get to join the qualifiers at the stage they normally would.
So the bottom of Div 2 and top of Div 3 is very important.
But people have known that since before the 2020 season.
I don't' think many people are aware of the format for this years championship. We went from Super 8s in 2019 straight into Covid so it has not been on your average supporters minds.
Be careful. The lads on here like to think Boards GAA posters are the average supporter.
There's plenty of GAA supporters out there far more clued in than the Boards GAA posters.
The lot, every team starts off with a chance to compete in the Sam Maguire Cup, your post suggests otherwise
Thats true.They could still go the provincial route.
Green football championship. Five-week provincial championships. Round-robin Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cups follow. Sam Maguire Cup comprises eight provincial finalists and eight next best in that year's league
Sailed in at Congress with near 95% of the vote.
This is good news.
It's good to see such a % willing to give it a go.
It's far better than the old Proposal B.
Proposal B was far superior to this Green proposal monstrosity.
My only hope is that the Green proposal will be the beginning of the end of the provincial systems.
Don't be worrying the provincial championships will get a boost when we have new Leinster Champions this year
Regardless of who wins any province, they’re dead and not fit for purpose.
I'd agree with the Laois manager to get rid of penalties to decide games and go with 45's. Penalties aren't a core skill of the game and imo the goals are too small for penalties anyways, especially when goalkeepers come off their lines.
45's would be a more even judge of skill rather than the often pot luck nature of penalties.
Only a select number of players can take 45s, though.
Provincial championship is here to stay and to stay revenant for a long time to come.
And after years I have finally come around to seeing the need to keep them relevant from view point of the people who run the provincial championships, the provincial councils themselves.
The provincial championships are their cash cow, it's what generates money at the local provincial level that can then be spent and distributed at the local and provincial level.
If the provincial championships become irrelevant (by having no influence on the All Ireland) then that revenue shrinks and the money that would have been spent on provincial games, be it fans or sponsors or grants, ends up being spent on national games, and that ends up going to central GAA funds.
And how of us want more money going to central GAA funds when we see the way such money has been distributed in the last decade ?
So even though I'm not a huge fan of the provincial have influence on the All Ireland, I can see why people want to keep it that way.
The new system gives the provincial championships half the influence in the make up of the group stages, that's far less than the provincials ever had.
It's a good move - we will have a meaningful league, meaningful knockout Cup competitions and a meaningful round robin/knockout championship.
I also like that each team has clarity from the beginning of the season around the number of matches that they are likely to play. You don't end up in a scenario where Galway are getting to an AI quarter final after several weeks of qualifiers, only to play Dublin/Kerry who sailed through the provincials and have had a 3 week break
I also hope they retain the 1 home/ 1 away/1 croke park venues for the round Robin games, it would be great to see proper championship football spread around the country in the summer
Yes do one home, one away, but not one Croke Park game in the group stages.
Make it one neutral venue.
The quarter finals can be played in Croke Park.
How many can take penalties?
If you have 6 forwards who can't make an attempt at a 45 that says a lot...but wouldn't be surprising nowadays considering the number of footballers is actually very low..all handpassing.
Really a bad reflection on the skills of the game when goalkeepers have to come up to take frees and 45s.
Mentioned previously in another thread, but there 100% should be a camera at all Intercounty matches (provided by the GAA)
Pretty ugly swing in Roscommon vs Warwickshire match yesterday by Warcks player (that started a fight) and he only got a yellow.
GAA themselves only have a guy with a pen and paper there taking notes on the ref. That really isn’t good enough in this day and age - accountability and traceability needs to be there.
Penalties are not a great way to decide a GAA match… How about 5 free kicks/pucks from varying distances. An alternative might be to allow the team that scores first in ET to have advantage so if the game ends in a draw after ET then that team wins.
Why are they not a good way to decide a match? It is has to come down to pens or 65s for example, why are 65s better?
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