In such a miserably depressing thread, this comment was a much-needed beacon of humour. 😋
I don't necessarily disagree with you. In fact, if the EU are actually sending combat planes to Ukraine then I don't think Russia are going to take the time to read Ireland's statement that we want to supply non lethal aid if they decide they want to push some big red buttons!
Fuuk the treaties, burn the cnuts out of Ukraine.
Why should their country be broken up??
Whoa,steady on. Its a strategic move. Ireland are overcoming the neutrality obstacle by contributing into the humanitarian aid instead of the military aid. By abstaining they are also allowing the military aid to pass through an EU vote.
There cant be a neutral Ukraine when Russia only respects military force in its recognition of the rights and boundaries of other nations.
A neutral Ukraine is just at Russias mercy.
Had the Baltic States stayed neutral after the cold war ended there is no doubt in my mind they would now have been reabsorbed into the Russian empire. That was the thrust of Putins speech and all former Russian or Soviet territory being still Russian in his mind.
Neutral Finland is now more likely to join NATO not less when you see Russias true colours.
Ukraine should be able to make its own decisions...it is a democracy...at least for now....Russia has kind of forced them into a corner! The response seems pretty clear...
Your willing to give up part of Ukraine to Russia...it doesn't mean Ukraine is...
Not sure if same explosion. Could possibly be.
Yes , it is a clever way of supporting the Ukrainian cause while remaining neutral.
Well they tried a neutral Ukraine and it led to 2 Russian invasions, so yeah, I think that's off the table now
Why? We are providing funding to the war effort.
Russian POWs say they were tricked and lied to by the Russian military.
They claim they were going to an excersise but ended up in the frontline in Ukraine.
Not really. As I recall I mentioned that ukrainians are useful idiots doing exactly what west and russians wants them to do. They did not fail and the last nail which pretty much signed invasion off was idiotic statement of looking into acquiring nuclear capability. That was pretty much invitation.
One would have to shudder to even think that the likes of right sector might get their hands on anything nuclear.
The intel was correct until now. No reason to doubt it now. Of course, I hope sincerely that I am wrong. But the old Soviet Empire did not just consist of the Ukraine and Russia. Why would Putin stop with the Ukraine. What does he have to lose? Only time will tell.
It is not an exaggeration to say that this is the most precarious political conflict that anybody amongst us has witnessed in our lifetime. And I cannot see an easy resolution
Last time I checked it wasn't a European superstate. Individual nations plough their own path, and should do. A functioning society, no matter how large functions better with wide opinions, even dissent, especially in tough times where cool heads need to prevail. Not Coveney et al looking for likes on twitter because they're caught up in the moment. DeValera's Ireland was a shítshow across the board, but was respected throughout the world(save for in England) as educators, rebuilders of third world nations and ex colonies and peacekeepers. I'd prefer that legacy over warrior any day. Because it's rare. Warriors are all too common.
You've watched too many damned WW2 flics. Ukraine has already won the hearts and minds(and social media) and decency war and that's something. It really is. But it looks increasingly likely they're going to lose the actual war, because Russian leaders tend to give zero fúcks for their own death count never mind the enemy's. I've actually been surprised that the Russians weren't targetting non combatants already. They had no such scruples in Chechnya(The Yanks aren't much better, so long as it's off camera), but Ukrainians are a little too close to home. Hopefully peace talks kick off soon and let some of the air out of this balloon before it bursts.
What I would propose is acting like the adult in the room full of screaming children amped up by the moment. Not adding to things by acting like them. If I were running Ireland, I'd be on the phone to all the parties I could to keep people talking. The longer they talk, and this includes the gnome in Moscow, the fewer people will die in the longterm and the less chance this goes into all out war where literally billions could die, because people stopped talking.
As for Russian rampage. They'll stop with Ukraine for the moment. And Putin is no spring chicken. A gilded Czar afraid to sit beside his own generals. He may 'win' today, but he won't win for long. He's a dead man walking. With little to lose. That is not the person you want near the controls of devices that could cause the extinction of the human race and this planet as it stands.
This. Some people just love to have to opportunity to get outraged.
Does anybody know what the carbon footprint of one Nuke is? If Russia launches one or more imagine how far back this would set the environment and increase cimate change.
Can't help themselves, want to look relevant.
we are part of the EU- we should be one voice at this stage
Exactly. Constructively abstaining allows the military aid go through.
It may be hard for us here to fully understand the reaction to Russia of the ex Warsaw Pact countries - particularly our assorted array of "left" idiot politicians - but they all know exactly what they are dealing with and how to confront it.
There most certainly can be a neutral Ukraine! But it's for the people and government of Ukraine to decide that's what they want, without coercion or interference from any other country. Likewise, it may be that a portion of the Ukraine population would prefer to be governed by different administration, but that's still a private, internal matter for that sector of the population and the Ukraine administration to work out. It's just not Russia's place to interfere and definitely not their place to invade in an attempt to 'liberate'.
You're missing one thing, there, and that is that if the last 10+ years have social media are anything to go by, a lot of people have either terrible critical thinking skills or big egos to think they're in on some secret or forbidden information that makes them smarter than everyone else. In my estimation, the second one gives rise to the first.
If you want to see what Russian propaganda outlets are saying, I'm sure you can find it easily enough online, but there's no need for more traditional media services to make their objectives easier by giving them TV exposure right now.
We don't live in a society that is censorship-free anyway, and we should censor things that actively seek to undermine and destabilise society such as a lot of the complete b*lls*it artists proliferating half-baked conspiracy theories, and we should certainly censor RT right now.
Will we ever see a normal day on earth again? From pandemic straight to this sh1t. FFS.
Anything not set out in the Treaties is exclusively a member state competitive.
More the question is who will fly them? Ukrainian pilots or let's say people who just recently retried from the Polish airforce etc. Will fly them
Look relevant - they've unveiled a whole array of powerful sanctions and aid today.
It's the UK that looks irrelevant.
And to think we thought we were done with face masks. Any chance that nuclear drills will start to take place?
Well said.
Russia has invaded twice in what 8ish years?! That doesn't point towards them willing to let Ukraine decide to be neutral....
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