Only a school teacher would say that. Let's take in 2 millions so.
"Ireland will put no limit on the number of refugees it will welcome from Ukraine, Mr Varadkar said, predicting the number could be in the thousands or tens of thousands" - Varadkar
Whilst I do have sympathy for these people fleeing war I can't help but see the disaster this would be.
Imagine calling someone pathetic because they don't want to go to war.
I cannot imagine saying something negative about a person like that.
Sure isn't that one of the pathetic excuses they use for leaving, that they'll be forced to fight if they stay.
McEntee's work on migrant rights has pushed her to the top of the list of contenders, with Harris, to replace Leo Varadkar should he get the heave due to the ongoing criminal investigation
pretty sure there is universal conscription in a lot of the Middle Eastern hotspots. never stopped the young men of fighting age leaving
In the grand scheme of things GO’D has about 100 “fans”. I’m sure no one give a fcuk what they think about anything. And I’ve never seen any of her fans on Boards.
Which countries banned 18-60 year old men from leaving? The country with the biggest number of migrants we have is Poland. As an EE migrant yourself, how do you feel about the Gemma O Doherty fans on here who specifically wish you to be out of the country and lament the fact that as a migrant you have contributed to the housing crisis amongst other things, according to their warped world view
We don't see the bearded children phenomenon or videos of Ukrainian refugees throwing away their IDs and passports full of jollity...
What’s being said is that the explanation for the absence of men among refugees and asylum seekers in this instance, is that Ukraine has banned men from leaving the country.
There was nothing said about what other countries do or don’t do during war or at any other time. It was @Fandymo who was making the original comparison.
So you say that all those men that were supposedly coming from countries that are at war are not really coming from countries that are at war because countries that are at war actually do what Ukraine did?
You almost sound sincere and all 🙄
Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 are banned from leaving their country many of them may die fighting a war against Russia. But yeah you go right ahead and use this tragedy to try and score a racist point.
As Homer Simpson said, "Can't someone else do it?"
Imagine if those healthy men of fighting age actually stayed and tried to fight to make their countries better...
Depends entirely on the type of conflict
I'm just surprised to see so many women, children and elderly as refugees.
Isn't it completely normal nowadays (alleged by the media and NGOs) that the healthy, military aged men come and secure a safe place to stay and the women and children come after??
Happy to see people in actual danger avail of the system.
I am sure that this has been mentioned in the last few days but Ukrainian refugees are exactly the type of people we should be letting into the country and a proper use of our asylum system not the economic migrants posing as refugees who are only here to take our money which are clogging it up at the moment.
Aswell, the Ukrainian people are in danger specifically because the people want to be more liberal and western which means there should be less issues with cohesion within the host country unlike other cohorts.
”People who have lived here through thick and thin and made this country what it is today despite its ills”…
Of course you understand that every Irish citizen has a choice as to whether they wish to stay or emigrate in search of a better life for themselves and their families? I was faced with that same choice over 20 years ago, and I made the choice to stay rather than emigrate. It wasn’t out of some misguided notion of patriotism that I chose to stay, it was simply because I just didn’t fancy the idea of trying to settle in any other country. I figure a bit like yourself I could create a better life for myself here rather than elsewhere, and that same idea flows forward into ensuring that anyone coming here has every support they need to create a better life for themselves here when they’re trying to settle in what to them is another country.
You mentioned earlier based upon your calculations from a newspaper article written in 2019 that in 2018 the number of people deported in that year was 10. I did read the article, and it’s as all over the place as you are. They’re engaging in the same sort of fudging figures and definitions that it’s not surprising anyone reading it would come to the conclusion that there is little difference in law between asylum seekers and refugee status. There is though, and demonstrably so when I can present figures of the actual number of people who were refused entry beyond our borders and deported in 2018 -
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https://emn.ie/immigration-in-ireland-in-2018/
No control of our borders? No screening? I don’t think so! 🤔
As for the idea of voting rights being tied to citizenship, well even setting aside the fact that it’s fair to say there is little difference between asylum seekers and refugees in terms of their voting rights, the very idea of encouraging immigrants to obtain citizenship is precisely for the reasons you’re suggesting - that they establish roots here and are encouraged to participate in, and contribute to Irish society. It was indeed ironic when it was pointed out at the time that at the same time as Irish citizens were being asked to vote in a referendum on the legal status of immigrants in Ireland, asylum seekers and refugees were being granted the right to vote in local elections -
https://www.unhcr.org/en-ie/news/latest/2004/4/40925f804/ireland-grants-refugees-asylum-seekers-right-vote.html
20 years later and this country is still not even within an asses roar of being overrun by Sharia Law or any of the rest of your scaremongering nonsense. It’s gone in exactly the opposite direction of being in thrall to the craw-thumping fcukwits who demonised all sorts of groups in society and tried to ensure people remained ignorant by controlling every facet of Irish society from education and healthcare to welfare, and that was just the British Government! The Catholic Hierarchy took over the management of Ireland where the British left off.
Another poster earlier mentioned Paddy Pearse’s oration at the funeral of another member of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and it was in that context that he said he envisioned Ireland not just being Gael or free, not just being free or Gael, but being free and Gael, or rhetoric to that effect anyway. The point was to get the Irish people fired up for war. The attempt to whip people up into a frenzy worked at least; the rebellion not so much (‘‘twas over in a week, bar the shouting) -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_unfree_shall_never_be_at_peace
The Catholic Hierarchy still have plenty of influence and power in this country, and because of the influence of both European colonists spreading Christianity and the British Monarchs in particular spreading THEIR influence across the globe, your fearmongering about globalism I think it’s fair to say is rather outdated, but given it happened generations ago and you’ve assimilated accordingly, I don’t think your arguments have anything to do with promoting Irish culture or anything to do with democracy or anything else. You don’t appear to give a damn about Irish society or Irish people.
Unsurprisingly it simply comes down to self-preservation, and in order to maintain your position, you have to attempt to portray anyone else who doesn’t share your ideas, as an enemy of the people. That’s why you think anyone should care about some random YouTuber with an avatar of Enoch Powell presenting some local councillor in Finglas as representative of anything, or the article in a rag I wouldn’t wipe my arse with as representative of anything, and claim that’s why they poll poorly.
Surely by using that same logic, it stands to reason that you actually shouldn’t have any fears whatsoever about Sharia Law or overturning a Constitutional amendment any time soon? It follows from that then, that knowing you have nothing to fear, all you’re doing is fearmongering by telling people they should be careful what they wish for as if it should be interpreted as some sort of threat to democracy. The only person who wishes to deprive anyone of the opportunity to participate in democracy, is you (and a few others, to be fair), by depriving people of the right to vote.
Absolutely. We tend to screen out bad citizens in Ireland and put the seriously bad ones in prison. We don't however really screen anyone coming into the country, do we?
Well no EU or UK citizens anyway, they can come and go as they please. Don't even have to inform any authorities that they live here. Any visa applicants or asylum seekers, refugees do indeed get screened.
Whataboutery! Whatever other countries do in extending citizenship and rights to Irish people is a matter for that 'somewhere else'. This thread is about multiculturalism in Ireland.
you claimed Irish citizenship should be maintained for people Who have lived here for generations. So what about those that leave? You didn't answer the question, should their citizenship be taken away from them?
Again, once you detach yourself from the manifestos of the likes of Matthew Waine, you'll eventually come to understand that most people believe that a country should be the best for all of it's birthright citizens.
so, just citizens born to Irish citizens?
Mad idea isn't it? Imagine, a country whose government worked actively for the interests and welfare of it's citizens instead of pandering to globalist agendas.
I would prefer a country that works actively for the benefit of all persons living in that country.
Nah, an Irish birth certificate (genuine one, not forged) can suffice.
so, anyone with an Irish birth certificate is now Irish? So, not someone who has lived here for generations?
Citizenship should be maintained for people Who have lived in a country for generations. Do you realise how off the wall that sounds?
Yeah totally off the wall for the likes of Matthew Waine and his merry band of supporters. Thankfully these types consistently get stuck at 2% in the share of votes.
I'm also interested to know why you think a country's citizens will automatically be the best people for that country.
Generally they will as their family and communities will promote values that have sustained them down through the generations.
Some of them will, some of them definitely won't.
What about Irish that have moved somewhere else for a lifetime? Should their citizenship be taken away from them?
It's strange that you believe a country should be the best, just for those people that have lived there for generations!
Should every country strive to be the best for all people living there?
Why would you suggest a two tier society?
Because the alternative is awarding the full compliment of services available in this state to anyone who walks out the front door of the arrivals hall in Dublin Airport.
Perhaps we should split it into pure blood Irish (generations never leaving the island) and a section of society who are less important, a non Irish blood, or not so pure Irish blood section?
He did, but not in relation to the Irish tricolour. And I don't believe he said anything about open borders as the poster suggested.
It seems to reflect exactly that the Councillor said, in fact he said more
"I would prefer to see the red flag fly outside County Hall and maybe in the future that will be the case"
A Dublin live click bait title that doesn't really reflect what the councillor actually said. I'm shocked 😲
I'm also interested to know why you think a country's citizens will automatically be the best people for that country. Some of them will, some of them definitely won't. What about Irish that have moved somewhere else for a lifetime? Should their citizenship be taken away from them?
It's strange that you believe a country should be the best, just for those people that have lived there for generations! Should every country strive to be the best for all people living there? Why would you suggest a two tier society? Perhaps we should split it into pure blood Irish (generations never leaving the island) and a section of society who are less important, a non Irish blood, or not so pure Irish blood section?
Wonder what his username on here is
This is what the open borders advocates think:
They don't even want us flying the tri-colour in case it's offensive. These types have some things in common with the DUP up north.
Yes, maintained for the people who have lived here through thick and thin and have made this country what it is today despite it's ills.
I extend the same wishes for the peoples of any other country around the world - The Norwegians, that their country be the best for the Norwegian peoples; The Nigerians, that their country be the best for the Nigerian peoples; The Japanese, that their country be the best for the Japanese peoples, and so forth...
I don't hold the opinion that mass immigration into any country is good for that country. There should be strict criteria for anyone crossing any border to set up home elsewhere.
Maintained for people who have lived here for generations?
Now I know there is no point talking to you.
Also, a gotcha? Pretty strange way of thinking. Facts are facts. You either don't distinguish between asylum seekers and refugees because you are wilfully ignorant or just don't actually care about the truth.
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