Actually whether you like it or not is completely and utterly irrelevent. Unlike Russia this is a democracy and if the government choose to enact legislation to seize the assets of crimminals associated with a crimminal regime the only thing that matters is the opinion of the electorate. It would seem to me that pretty much every decent thinking person in Ireland does support that. As for the opinion of business, they would rather be on the side of right or face the ire of the consumer.
Thanks for doing this. I think all boards users deserve a clear answer to those questions. If any pii was exposed, it's a serious business.
In fairness I’m watching BBC report here on civilians making Molotov cocktails and helpling on the ground and there’s a lot of women at it.
That invitation to Ukraine for talks in Belarus is about the only thing he could use as a fig leaf but it depends whether they are just a repeat of his demands or some way to pretend that his concerns have been heard and he can go home. By the looks of things he really has no way out anyway and there are now a lot of weapons on the way for Ukraine.
From a BBC feed:
"Russian journalist Ilya Barabanov came to Ukraine in 2014 to cover the "Maidan" protests, when then-President Viktor Yanukovych was deposed over decisions moving the country away from the EU and closer to Russia. Here he describes his shock, as a Russian, at the invasion of Ukraine.
I covered events in Crimea when Russia illegally annexed the Ukrainian peninsula. And I was in the east of Ukraine when Russian-backed separatists proclaimed their "people's republics".
From the first day of conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia denied its presence there.
But I remember very clearly in September 2014, I saw these tanks with my own eyes in a town just over the border from Russia.
I also witnessed Russian troops from the Far East region of Buryatia supporting rebel fighters during a bloody battle in the Donetsk region in February 2015.
I remembered all of these things, as well as the poisoning of the Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, the appalling fraud at the last Russian elections and the changes to the constitution introduced in order to allow Vladimir Putin to stay in power until 2036.
Yet I still could not believe it that the Russian president would start a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Like many people I had listened to the US warnings in recent months but I just couldn't imagine it would really happen.
It was not until the hotel concierge was standing by my bed on Thursday morning telling me war had started that I believed it. And from that moment, everything changed."
Just no. Night combat is common for offensive forces, I am disgusted with what Russia are doing but don’t twist a battle tactic to fit your “criminal” narrative
So what would you have countries do to sanction Russia?
The other options are to do nothing or armed conflict. And we should all collectively want to avoid armed conflict with a nuclear armed super power, especially with a tyrant at the helm who has been murdering anyone who stands in his way for years.
Wow, Germany completely changes tack, will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 stinger missiles to Ukraine.
First they came for the Ukrainians but I did nothing because I'm not Ukrainian.
Then they came for the Moldovans but I didn nothing because I'm not Moldovan.
You see where this is going. Allowing a nation to behave this way runs a high risk of enforcing this behaviour and before you know it their behaviour is directly affecting you in some way. At least this way Western nations have some semblance of control over the negative effects of sanctions.
yes, when I was looking for a post at 8.53 am today, and as I progressed towards that time the posts started slipping back to earlier times . I eventually got to it. It was a kind of two steps forward and one and three quarter steps back
A lot more in this than I thought there'd be , but it turns out it is all about oil and gas ...and water , and geography , and demographics ...
Cryptocurrency analysts say at least $9m (£6.7m) has so far been donated to the Ukrainian war effort through anonymous Bitcoin donations.
If it's completely and utterly irrelevant then why reply to my posts at all.
I never wanted dodgy Arab and Russian millionaires coming to the west and buying up assets in the first place, I err on the side of protectionism.
To let all these Russian noveau riche scumbags in and then grab all these assets the moment a war breaks out and say "they stole the money from the Russian people in the first place" is an obviously scummy thing to do.
Iirc some of them are anti-Putin anyway.
It's hardly legal is it?
Think I've read a few articles in Irish Times over last few days about our financial services sector, some funny/lax company structures available here and Russian money. Is that who "we" really are? Surely not... I'm pretty sure alot of it will get squeezed out or clamped down on now but it obviously wasn't before because money/business and keeping the economic wheels greased is (usually) king. This is imo occurring across entire West in its dealing with autocratic states like Russia (where it has gone very badly wrong now obviously), but on this thread it often seems to be all Germany's fault for some reason.
Spoken like someone who has no idea about economics.
Germany needs to keep their infrastructure functioning so YOU get to put food on the table.
No it is not. Seize the assets and return them to a sovierg Russian government when a democracy is in place in Russia. It is really that simple.
I would only sanction Putin-aligned companies and people, not just anyone who.is Russuan
Ok so should Chelsea FC be seized and given to a new democratic Russian government?
Or houses in Mayfair?
Molotov cocktails can be very effective in urban warfare. If the Russians go in it will be hell on earth for them. I saw a film of the French in Paris killing German soldiers in the street and grabbing their guns. Oh boy...
He will still have control, will just be in the shadows. This is a tactic to take some heat of Chelsea but he may also have something to fear that puts Chelsea at risk.
I would go a lot further, every Russian company and the assets of any non-resident Russian. I certainly would not be seizing the assets of a Russian carpenter working in Ireland for the last 15 years and has bought a house.
Abramovich hands over Chelsea FC to trustees
I don't think anyone would suggest seizing anything from regular Russians.
However a Russian billionaire who made his money in Russia and is allowed to keep it, is, be default, Putin sanctioned and aligned. Ask the fella who used to be the richest man in Russia. Mikil Khodorvsky (or however you spell it)
Actually, 100m of his money had been frozen here for a time. https://www.ft.com/content/4e43eb0a-bc92-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080
Nor would I be seeking to seize the house of the Belarussian who married my cousin.
He’s definitely distancing himself from the shitshow going on in the Kremlin. His daughter has also been publicly against the Russian invasion too
Of course he's only protecting himself, in case Chelsea FC was seized as an asset via sanctions .
Yes. It’s a standard battle tactic and has been used right the way back classical ages when the Spartans attempted to assassinate Persian King Xerexs by infiltrating his camp at night.
Very common in WW1 and WW2 - the Americans were effective attacking Iraq at night as were Iran. It’s a standard tactic for offensive fighters - nothing criminal about it, it’s incredibly effective
Czechs have now approved an arms shipment worth $8m. It will include machine guns, submachine guns, sniper rifles and pistols and their corresponding ammunition, sent to a place of Ukraine's choosing! And this is a reminder for the very impatient people on this thread that these things take time.
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