Russia have enough reserves and more coming in everyday from the sale of oil and gas and Europe will not impose sanctions on oil or gas as they need it and will not shut down the supply. Russia are playing a game of chess and every move the west has made so far has been anticipated. By the time they have control of Ukraine they will be more or less self sufficient and the impact of sanctions will diminish further.
Yeah I'm familiar with what happened but in my own experience I've yet to meet a non-Russian Eastern European person who speaks Russian ("natively") who seemed happy about it.
All things considered, this is pretty shite after 2 days. They've conquered a bunch of fields.
Honestly, I don't see much of a choice for Ukraine right now. I'd love to see them fight on - but to what end would it be? How long would they have? Days at best.
In fact where the Russian army is now in Kiev it's almost the equivalent of the Russians reaching Berlin in 1945 and accepting German offer of a ceasefire and talks.
That's exactly what I'm hoping .
Neutral State occupied and controlled by Russia and sod what the 40+ million Ukrainians think
With all due respect, you've got to be kidding. Have you studied any conflicts or history of conflicts? The two WW, Korea, Vietnam? If you haven't, well every day this week is a schoolday I suppose.
Would the Ukrainians really accept that? I know the alternative seems apocalyptic but those terms would be appalling.
Serbia and Russia have long since been allies. Another example of the complexity of history in south east Europe- they regard one another as Slavic orthodox brothers. The Russian Turkish dimension was mentioned here a few times and historically is probably the most bitter one here vs Orthodox Christians (eg Serbs) and Ottoman Turks. They’ve some periods of peace but Russia and turkey have been at each others throats for centuries.
Far as I can make out there’s no external sea route out or into the Black Sea unless via Turkish waters?
Some grounds for optimism from China and that emotionless trunk of wood, Xi Jinping.
Remember Azerbaijan recently .
Turkish drones and weapons wreaked havoc against the Armenians
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They're already in the hands of the russians by keeping trading with them. You can trade with Russia, or the EU. Not both. Come back when you've made your decision. BTW Russia won't be buying much in a month.
Yeah that would be a no
Surely the Ukrainians will reply with a version of “**** that….”
You got there before me. Turkey hunts with the hound and runs with the hare. They have definitely sided with Ukraine this time, hence the clear delivery of military aid to that particular airport. All day, black Hawks have been taking off and switching off their transponders before approaching the border.
But yet I'm saddened by Eskimo hunt
Not Eskimo hunt. I’m just also sick of your scaremongering bravado posts ruining the thread.
Have you seen the terms.
putin will decide when the meeting is called and what will be discussed.
Ukraine military to be disbanded and all weapons handed over ,a Russian government to be installed ,and Russia permanently stations it's troops and weapons as peace keepers to deter Nato aggression against Ukraine , ukraine will submit to never applying to join nato and ukraine will be neutral
Not much time left for Zelensky..
Agreed. Gas should be included. It will hurt, but needs must.
That said, punishing Serbia could push it into the hands of the Russians.
Stop talking. Support Ukraine with money and support shown outside Embassies around the world. Talks is cheap.
That should put their EU accession on hold for good.
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20 minutes into Winter on Fire on Netflix.
Poor Ukrainians can't catch a break. You can see the ferocious passion in the population about the love for and making their country better. It goes some way to explaining the resistance of today.
Part of me feels guilty for not watching these things closer. We've been relatively comfortable over this way all this time.
As an aside, I'm just remembering now, I was in Berlin in Jan 2020 and Putin was in town to meet Merkel and Erdogan at that hotel Michael Jackson dangled the kid from beside Brandenburg Gate. I was staying close by. All 3 leaders passed by. It didn't seem to be widespread news at the time.
Its weird now thinking about it in the context of how easily Putin is throwing the word Nazi about! I literally seen his car traverse the east/west divide. As they travelled hotel up to the Bundestag area.
Vermin
The UN Security Council vote won’t matter as Russia will just veto the resolution.
This shouldn't be excluded from sanctions either. It should be stopped and it will be painful. The alternative is an embolldened Putin, turning his attention to the Baltics and starting WW3. I think suffering a drop in Gas is preferable for a few months is preferable to heading into a Europe wide war and increased possibilty of nuclear strikes from both sides. We can't do the hand wringing and usual tut tutting on this any more. Putin needs to be put down and delaying it endangers us all. It started with poisoning one spy on foreign soil, then Salisbury where blind luck avoided an entire town being poisoned to death, now this. When do we say enough is enough or are we also so precious about our comfort we're happy to watch others die oblivious that our day of reckoning is edging closer.
Sure, but that's a given in this conflict I would have assumed.
Bringing equipment into Ukraine...... From Poland.....
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