Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Fair play. This should allow for a few Ukrainian folks to get to safety
Fair play to this lady but again it highlights the farce that is the Irish Governments inability to enforce deportation orders, leaving us open to endless appeals and more costs to the taxpayer. Seems to be some omissions from any articles I have read on this.
Agreed. This is a good move.
Think of how many more Ukrainians we could accommodate if the system wasn’t clogged with a large number of preexisting spurious claims.
Legitimate asylum seekers fleeing a brutal Russian invasion are absolutely welcome. Chancers circumventing regular migration channels, not so much..
One wonders how long it will be until we start hearing "shure its not that bad in Ukraine, they shouldn't be allowed to come here" from a certain cohort in this forum
I've no idea how long that will that; nor do I suspect do you. I haven't seen anybody condemn legitimate asylum applications.
Most posters here seem relatively articulate. One thing I do believe is highly likely, is that few if any posters spell or pronounce the declarative as "shure".
Shure u wud no 🙃
This is what a sensible asylum policy would look like. Take people directly and from UN refugee camps. (Which we already do)
Stop allowing people to fly in on Ryanair flights and clogging up our system costing us hundreds of millions year in year out.
Denmark has the right idea, unfortunately in Ireland too many vested interests are making too much money from the current system, hence it is been expanded more and more. We deport practically no one, touch foot in Ireland now and you are basically here for life.
What in the name of dodge has the scheme for people from the Ukraine got to do with a thread on undocumented migrants?
The visa waiver program allows them unrestricted entry into the country for 90 days only after which point they have to apply for regularization through asylum etc so they will fall under the scope of this program in the future
Also it should be pointed out the current scheme does not just apply to undocumented folk
You'll see this a lot on threads like this one. All migrant types are treated equally. That way the justified acceptance of refugees from Ukraine can be used to justify the acceptance of illegal immigrants. The same has been attempted many times already by using valid Asylum seekers, as justification for failed asylum seekers remaining and not being deported.
Certain posters don't care the reasons why foreign/migrant groups come to Ireland. As long as the numbers continue to increase, they're happy.
I'd suggest reading up on the scheme that you are so vociferously in favour of. Showing blatant ignorance of it, whilst cheerleading it, may make you look like a troll to some people.
The regularization scheme ends on 31st July 2022, and is for people who have been undocumented in Ireland for at least 4 years at the start of the scheme, 31st January 2022 (any Ukrainian fleeing this war wouldn't have been here at the start of the scheme), or for at least 3 years for families with children under 18.
So, no, they will not fall under the scope of this program in the future.
Thought it was pretty clear what I said, but obviously not for some. "In the future" meant not this instance of the program, but future re-runs of it.
Does that clear things up for you?
Nice try, but no sale I'm afraid.
Legitimate refugees fleeing war as we've seen in Ukraine in the last 48 hours is an entirely different proposition to chancers touring Europe looking for the best handouts.
But I'm sure you know that!
Wrong. It states it's a visa waiver scheme for people from the Ukraine and has nothing whatsoever to do with illegal/undocumented migrants under discussion. People arriving from the Ukraine simply do not now need a visa to come here.
"People who are considering leaving Ukraine and travelling to Ireland may for the coming period do so without a visa if they judge it safe to travel. Those who travel to Ireland without a visa during this period will then have 90 days after arrival to regularise their position. This position will be kept under ongoing review with the impact monitored closely."
Obviously there will not be another "undocumented migrant" scheme within that 90 days.
So rather than anything to do with any "undocumented migrant" scheme present or future scheme it would appear people from the Ukraine will be eligible to claim under current asylum regulations etc if they wish to do so.
That's hardly surprising considering what's going on in the Ukraine atm .
Strange then that so many seem to object to folks fleeing war from other countries (Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc). Its as if only certain wars in certain places with refugees of a certain ethnicity are deemed worthy.
Personally I don't mind anyone coming here regardless of the reason (war, persecution, race, religion, nationality, climate change, hunger, gender/sexual orientation, membership of a particular social group or political opinion).
Not at all look at the figures of asulym requests approved. Of the top 10 countries 5 have a success rate of 10 percent or under.
The Irish government also thinks the vast amount of claims are bogus. Our legal system, endless appeals and people "putting down rpots" means rejections have little consequences
Do you have a link to that?
I noticed the "undocumented migrants" narrative changed pretty fast when it was Ukraine being bombed to sht
Where is all the talk of them Ukrainians only playing the game for a job or handy life on the dole
I dunno but maybe the fact that there's an actual war on may have something to do with it!
What precisely are you implying?
https://www.worlddata.info/europe/ireland/asylum.php
Cheers for that. Makes for interesting reading, especially where the %'s increase significantly upon review but without having more data on the reasons behind decisions its hard to say anything more beyond that
Was there not loads of wars in north Africa ?
Except it hasn't. It's just posters like yourself who make the claim but provide no evidence to support such a claim.
Refugees from war are welcome. The complaining on this thread relates to illegal migrants. I realise you might not understand the difference, but refugees receive State approval to come here, and so receive a visa to stay. Hence being legal.
Failed asylum seekers, which is the other area of criticism, have failed their applications, and should have been deported. But most of them weren't, and so, they stayed as illegal migrants, breaking immigration laws of this country.
The only real complaints about refugees relates to economic migrants coming from relatively stable countries like Nigeria. In terms of criticisms towards war refugees (on other threads), it's not about the refugees themselves, but criticism over the Asylum process, and that the status of being such a refugee doesn't change over time, even after the country of origin has become settled or at peace. The expectation being that the Irish should continue providing for them, and not turn them into normal migrants, bound by the basic requirements to have a fixed term (renewable) visa here.
There's dozens of wars ongoing throughout the world.. and we don't rush to receive refugees from there.
Now, personally, I don't think there's any shame involved in that.. we're going to show more favouritism towards cultural/national groups which are more similar to ourselves. That's pretty standard everywhere in the world.
What an absolutely disgusting comment. Who are the "many" who are "objecting to folks fleeing war from other countries" in this thread? The discussion at hand is one of illegal/undocumented migration and not the granting of asylum which as far as I can see few if any have any issue with
And to that you throw insult at those seeking refuge from wars and conflict, by attempting to paint the issue as one of race or skin colour. Perhaps you could only top that off by standing on that high pedestal and referring to others as "bigots" as you have done previously?
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Didn’t know there is a war in Nigeria???
How the heck does one poster giving his opinion on who receives asylum here equate to "many" posters or indeed where is that one poster who you quote actually objecting (as you have stupidly claimed) "to folks fleeing war from other countries (Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc)"?
Edit: And to disprove your own race baited comment- take a look at the previous link posted showing that the highest number of successful asylum requests in Ireland have come from Somalia and from Afghanistan.
Feel free to have a read through the thread to answer your questions
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