They could use drones...no need to put pilots etc in harm's way
They can't without dramatically widening the conflict. As was said above, Ukraine isn't a NATO member and politically there doesn't seem to be any will from its members to go in with their own troops at all.
Sanctions are all that'll be used so long as Putin doesn't cross the NATO borders.
Any attack on Russian troops like that would be a declaration of war - not the brightest idea when the other guy has nuclear weapons coming out the rear end.
Also Russia has defacto control of Ukrainian airspace at this stage, so its not like NATO planes can roll in unopposed for strikes.
NATO/US/EU will not respond militarily. Economic sanctions are the order of the day, and they will be limited in scope due to EU being dependent on Russian oil and gas.
Here’s hoping the Russian voices opposed to this get louder and louder. He needs to be taken out by one of his own.
Pedestrian crossings are vital military targets it seems.
This has nothing to do with us, as bad as it is / sounds.
Putin should be punished economically, and not through some military adventure that could lead to nukes being fired.
In the same way, an awful war in Africa has nothing to do with us.
If Putin invades a NATO member, that's a different story. But it hasn't happened.
Understood, but the fighting will end one day and, hopefully, trials will begin. We can't just throw our hands up in the air because one of the beligerents thinks differently about how wars should be fought.
Champions League moved to Paris...that will show them...
I wouldn’t be convinced if the GOP get back in with another Trumpish government, it’ll be back to business as usual with Russia. There are hotels to be built and oligarchs to spend money on golf courses.
Especially when in this case, the adversary is more likely to go with that option (probably in a "limited" tactical way first rather than strategic) than any of his recent predecessors if he feels there's an advantage to be gained.
The problem is that once weapons like that are used, there's no real way to go back.
The more I think about this the more I think the powers in Europe need to get involved in this. I never thought Putin would be stupid or crazy enough to go into Ukraine like this. Couple that with his greater Russia ramblings over the last couple of years it's obvious to me that none of the former Warsaw pact countries are safe. We'll be up against the same shite again.
A large bulk of Russian armour is now exposed on the plains of Ukraine. NATO needs to provide air cover and send in A10s and attack helicopters and destroy them.
It is like saying you will use your faberge egg to break a neighbours window.
Putin's greater concern was with Europe, as expected Germany and a few more are delivering for him and the sanctions that could really hurt are being blocked.
Russia has long isolated itself from America.
He knew that from the beginning
UKraine is not a NATO member and cant use article 4/5
i saw those photos. Why is the guy in civvies to the left of the soldier on the phone not holding him at gunpoint. The civvie has a rifle. Could these be Ukraine soldiers?
edit: the below tweet is not related to above comment
Watching a bit of Sky news here and the same yesterday morning, Mark Austin seems a bit vacant at times, mind you if I could hear bombing and gun fire within ear shot I would be vacant also. The journalists and their crew really have a tough job.
I think the splits in the GOP are being very starkly exposed here.
You have hawks calling Biden 'weak' (which is outrageous given that the traditional approach was to always back the president in foreign policy at times like this) and demanding further and harsher actions against Russia. Then you have the headbangers, including former President Trump, who are frankly all over the place and totally lacking in coherence.
Cos some of them will end up getting shot down most likely and then you've got a shitstorm.
Scary isn't it.
Although they say nuclear weapons are meant to be a deterrent. You nuke me and I'll nuke you. Problem with that is its just a belief. Anything can happen.
It was not just the US, but from the rest of the Nato countries and Russia. There were given a gairantees that if attacked by either side the other side would come to there aid
I think it might not be a bad thing if the American shock jocks out themselves for what they are. They're very much in Lord Haw-Haw territory and I don’t think they’ll be forgotten for it.
They’ve an incredibly broken political discourse. I don’t think it’s ever been this bad. They seem to be both so gullible (or at least their audiences are) and so conspiracy theory oriented that they will fall for petty much any propaganda and are extremely easily manipulated and they seem obsessed with strongman authoritarianism.
These characters an utter disgrace. It’s shocking how far it’s gone.
I honestly think the US could prove to be totally useless in this if things go into partisan political crazy and you can be 100% sure Putin is counting on that and will be running propaganda and psychological operations to ensure that it tips that way. You can already see it sloshing around on social media platforms.
Meanwhile in Europe, Germany, Italy and Hungary seem to be standing in the way of serious sanctions, with italy looking to “carve out” luxury goods. So much for EU solidarity!
Well done lads, let someone else take it for the team, right? It’s pretty embarrassing when Ukraine is getting more solidarity from Canada and Japan than some of the EU countries.
They gave them up in exchange for guarantees from the US on their safety
As excuses go, its a good one.
it can still happen in baltic .. massive numbers of russians there .. only need to hand out russian passports & guns and do nothing else. ....
Pretty sure it was when he floated the idea that the US would not defend its NATO allies (including the baltics which are outside of that German request).
That's where the victory lies.
Iraq was beaten in days, but when Sadr was arrested, a militia of Shia civilians started escalating attacks on American forces and started blooding them and said it was only starting, he was released.
Did they not used to have nuclear weapons? Sort of failed themselves, they old adage "it is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war" is apt.
Maybe a stupid idea, but why can't "allies" just send in a bunch of painted unmarked bombers and bomb the **** out of those tank columns?
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