We shouldn't give our view on anything I guess.
These posts are as tiresome as the "but America..." posts
If Ukrainians were going to flee it would have already started ,they survived previous Russian leaders , and they will survive putin ,they are a proud strong people ,
I just hope other countries break rank and stand with them
US administration warned this morning that a full on assault is highly likely within the next 48 hours. 🙁
I agree, it is getting very tiresome.
We'll have to agree to disagree, as I think some of you misinterpreted my post.
But I did try to clear the confusion as best I could in subsequent posts.
4.5 million people to be made refugees by Russia according to the UN. I think 1.3m people entered Europe at the height of the 2015 refugee.
Oh and worth noting the 2015 refugee crisis was brought about largely as a result of the conflict in Syria - and you guessed it! Russia intervened in that conflict in 2015.
Putin is either scaring Ukraine and bluffing them or he thinks that they wont fight if they attack as the numbers of troops are not enough to take much of the country
Heard on the radio earlier Coveney wants the Russian Ambassador to come over so he can tell him how unhappy the Government is with the actions of Russia.
Its kind of like a meerkat squaring up to a lion.
Doubt it
What else should they be talking about?
I watch her programme quite a bit, she is an excellent presenter.
Mod - Stick to the topic of the thread.
Do you know what the topic is? It's in the name of the thread, one word. Any more 'but... but... but America' posts (from anyone) and it'll mean a threadban. Thread is hard enough to keep track of as it is so fast moving we don't need this drivel clogging it up
Also quoting the Pentagon as saying "it's possible today is that day" and "they [the Russians] are literally ready to go now".
Perhaps they want to celebrate Defender of the Fatherland Day a little different this year?
Look i didn't want to keep this going but you keep insisting you didnt state it as a fact when your post clearly shows you did.
Not just me but other posters also called you out on this looking for evidence. It was only then you started back tracking a bit.
This is going to be my last post replying to you on this because its just getting tiresome at this stage.
Jaysus, imagine if those lads had to report on Halloween in Ireland....
He won't nuke them,
But he will bomb Kiev back several centuries
None of us really know who is telling the truth here. You've clearly decided that you believe the western/US narrative on all of this. Which is your right.
I don't think the west/US are as trustworthy as you and others obviously do, so I have a different opinion.
Holding a different opinion isn't the same thing as spreading misinformation.
I didn't state it as a fact, you chose to interpret my post that way.
And there shouldn't have been any doubts after the subsequent posts, as I clearly stated that I was expressing an opinion not an absolute truth.
But now we're all crystal clear, anyway, so we can move on.
I'm calling bullshit
hey, good image, but thats not what the diagram says, it says they support ukrainian territorial integrity, the countries in green condemn
Putin was Yeltsin's protégé, and designated survivor. So what ever political / party / financial backing Yeltsin had, Putin was groomed to be the figure head ( at least ), easily managed and controlled, but over time, I believe that he ousted or compromised everyone and he became the Big Boss, the Chief. His word is the law of the land. Having said that, he is not immovable but it would take a majority of the behind the scenes members to do it. And unless things are going really badly for these people, it will be hard to reach Putin removal critical mass. But Ukraine could just do that....
Anyway, this will fissile out when another chunk of Ukraine is annexed
Very unfortunate malapropism. Sorry, just could not help pointing it out, I know this is a serious subject.
I'm not trying to turn this into whataboutery, though. I recognise that the USA has done wrong in the past and Russia would be correct to point that out now or at the time of its happening, but I do not think that it invalidates the USA calling out Russia on its own wrongdoing in this instance. Two wrongs do not make a right for Russia. And it is Russia's wrongdoing that should be under the spotlight at this moment since it can still be prevented from happening.
Ukraine isn't in NATO so sanctions are as much as will happen.
Different story if a NATO country was invaded. Then it's bye bye Russia, and probably many other countries!
Anyway, this will fissile out when another chunk of Ukraine is annexed. Until the next time..
But if you have an opinion with no proof you cant just state something like its a fact and then not expect to be called out on it.
Anyway I agree this is derailing the thread so ill leave it at that.
Lol
yes thats the main problem the EU would have, it would not stay conventional as the Russians fight dirty...it looks like 80% of Russian forces are now ready to go, so invasion very very very imminent
Careful.
People around here will demand that you provide irrefutable evidence of your assertions that the great freedom and democracy loving nation of the USofA, are installing friendly governments in nations around the world.
I on the other hand, respect your right to hold that opinion.
You may be right, you may be wrong. But you're entitled to express the opinion! 🙂
Jesus lads I'm no fan of US politics or Biden, but you're absolutely deluding yourselves if you think Russia isn't pushing to invade Ukraine right now.
Putin is a full blown dictator, he's positioned himself into that role since the 90's at least and has taken great strides to remove any competition from within Russia, has added more and more troops to the Ukrainian border and they've already killed one soldier.
It's a possible yes ,in a conventional war I believe they could defeat Russia militarily ,the biggest issue is a sheer lack of unity especially coming from countries who have grown and become modern and independent thanks in no part to the EU , but now it's ohhh you want to impose sanctions why would we want to do that Russia has been good to us
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