Are you gonna take advice from a doctor or somebody who pretends you probably weren't burned originally and the pain and blisters should be long gone anyway even if they are staring them in the face.
If you insist that partition is the problem (which I don't necessarily accept), the most apt medical condition would be someone who had their legs removed 100 years ago and thinks the solution is to re-attach the same rotten legs. Why would you attach rotten legs that would spread the rot to the rest of the body?
The real solution would be to attach some modern artificial legs adapted for that purpose. Modernisation and reform of Northern Ireland have to come first before any consideration of unity.
I think we're stretching the analogy to breaking point at this stage, but demanding that everything is fixed before addressing the cause of the problem is akin to telling the patient that you'll give them those shiny modern new legs just as soon as they learn how to walk again.
Not really, the patient in this case - 26 counties - is actually doing quite fine. Re-attaching those rotten legs (and it is people like yourself and Francie who are fond of telling us that the North is a failed state) could kill the patient.
Sort it out first.
You may have forgotten Blanch, but despite living this side of the border, I'm from the North. From my context and that of a great deal of my extended family, the patient is NI.....continuing the increasingly odd analogies, the separated conjoined twin who was left with a missing organ and has been languishing on life support under the care of an increasingly disinterested doctor, while the other twin thrives, wondering why its twin doesn't just grow a new kidney.
I'd imagine the reply will continue with comparisons to sewing the conjoined twins back together and such, but really we've both made our points and are just engaging in word play at this point. I inherently have a different perspective on NI than you do, and due to that perspective I would obviously be willing to accept a greater cost than someone with zero connection to the place, who was a hundred miles from the border in a comfortable suburb reading about it in the papers rather than having experienced it.
You may deride the perspective of someone you believe is from a comfortable suburb reading about it in the papers, but even if that were true, distance gives perspective.
Coming from Northern Ireland, you completely underestimate the amount of annoyance of ordinary people in the South at both communities in the North who refuse to live together, who put up more "peace" walls every year, who put up memorials like the one in Clonoe, who play at pretence to support integrated education, etc. All of those things are rotten, nobody in the South wants to import them here.
Your words "PUT UP MORE PEACE WALLS EVERY YEAR?
Have ya a link to back up your lies because
Also
"The ‘Together’ initiative has also seen more than 30,000 teenagers and young people take part in special cross-community camps. More than 24,000 of them were involved in a ‘Sport and Creativity’ programme and a further 6,000 participating in an initiative called Peace4Youth"
They all hate each other up there, you sir havnt a clue
I don't deride your perspective, Blanch. I merely acknowledge it and try to understand it.
The problem with your follow up statement is that I'm (un?)fortunate enough to have the perspective of both sides.....I grew up in the North but I live down here, my wife is from down here, I'm raising my family down here. Unlike you, I can compare experience living in NI bith pre and post Troubles and also living in the 26 counties post-Troubles. I am unequivocally not lacking in perspective from both sides of the border, and your own views aren't half as ubiquitous as you seem to believe they are.
I'm in full agreement with you regarding the rotten nature of some memorials, murals, lack of integrated education, though it is difficult to skip past this without pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about this while Ireland continues to have largely Catholic ethos dominated education.
I also agree with you regarding the rotten nature of peace walls (while understanding why they're still necessary in some places), but you're entirely wrong to say more are put up every year. I believe we've passed by this topic before and you should be aware that they're isolated to a few particularly problematic areas (growing up and living in Fermanagh, I'd imagine the closest one to me would've been in Derry.....closer to folk living in parts of Donegal than to me), and decreasing in number year on year.
Alice Glenn died 11 years ago.
Was she tweeting about the golfgate incident too? LOL
"In 1998, a peace deal known as the Good Friday Agreement was signed between the British and Irish governments and most political parties in Northern Ireland, but sectarian violence continued for many years. More than half the peace lines that exist today were built after the peace agreement."
Why lie?
16 were removed last year and none built
Plenty of baby Alice's in YFG from what I and others can see. Her kind haven't gone away.
'Entirely inappropriate' - anger as Fine Gael Youth leader attends US right-wing conference - Independent.ie
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The mis-representation will continue.
the contents of the article are very different to your original claim however, and the poster you replied too responded to the original claim that you made.
So peace wall numbers haven't gone up since the GFA? Northern Ireland continues to go backwards.
So peace walls have doubled since the GFA and you expect us to take one year's decrease as a sign that things are better? Get off the stage.
Are you not the poster who was arguing that the northern state hasn't failed?
Hmmmm
The sectarian leaders in Sinn Fein and the DUP have failed the Northern State.
As they are the elected democratic choices of the people then is it not fair to say that the state has failed, again and again.
No, the State itself is not set-up to fail, nor is it inevitable that it will fail, what has failed to date are the sectarian leaders of Sinn Fein and the DUP.
That is an important distinction that you fail to understand. Hitler was the democratically elected leader of Germany, but Germany wasn't a failure as a state, he failed the State, ditto many other leaders over the years, with him just being the more extreme example. Rather than Godwinning the thread, it appears that extreme examples are needed to explain basic concepts.
You are talking about the people, when you reference SF and DUP in this context.
The people are divided still by partition.
Ergo, partition and the state it created has failed. No amount of wishful thinking about the future is going to change that here and now assessment blanch.
Nonsense, don't be putting words in my mouth.
Again
You still standing by your lies
It is the implication of what you are saying and your penchant for trying to have it both ways that rankles.
Same with the Peace Walls diatribe...the facts don't back you up but on you go.
Blanch. More and more peace walls going up every year
Me. Eh 16 were taking down last year and none built
Blanch. More peace walls now than when GFA was signed
Its impossible to debate with blatant lies just so one can have a dig at Mary Lou and co
So, are you disputing all of the independent reports that there are more peace walls now than when the GFA was signed.
Just because a small number were taken down last year, we should suddenly be thanking Sinn Fein like thanking a man who has stopped beating his wife every day and now gives her the weekend off?
Haven’t read thread.
I don’t think anyone that supports a United ireland is actually living in reality. Does Ireland have billions to afford the cost of NI stashed away somewhere? Does the HSE have the resources to cope? Course they don’t. That’s before you even get to the practicalities of the cost of turning every single U.K. thing up there into Irish. Can you imagine?
And then we get to the very fragile political situation up there. Ffs it’s taken this long to get relative peace, why upset the apple cart? Do people want another civil war because that’s the reality. And honestly, many NI folks are born and bred as British. Are we going to try and tell them otherwise when it’s a massive part of their identity?
they have the NHS, they have the British army which we frankly would be relying heavily on if we get invaded by anyone down here. Leave them be.
This is a lie!
Own up to making stuff up and we can discuss the situation otherwise whats the point
Unification will 'sort it out'. All the people have is a sham government and a disinterested overseer.
Explain to me in detail how unification will sort it out re Unionists seeing themselves completely disenfranchised in a UI similar to how republicans see themselves now?
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