Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
That’s not what I said. I said that the sites are overwhelmingly Irish and Eastern European.
Where did I mention that there are zero guys working for cash in construction? Hint: I didn’t.
Are you implying that only illegal immigrants work under the table?
I'm sure there's a few who would be interested.
Unlike a lot of the naysayers here, my personal experience with many of these folks shows that they just want to live, work, raise a family and enjoy life, same as anyone else.
Take, for example, asylum seekers, who many here like to claim as scroungers. They were granted the "right to work" in 2018. This "right" was only granted after the Supreme Court found that Ireland, being only 1 of 2 countries which banned asylum seekers from working, had a blanket employment ban that was unconstitutional and the court gave the Government several months to prepare temporary legal provision for employment.
Note, this ruling follows a similar recommendation by the Government Working Group on the protection and reception of asylum seekers that was published in the McMahon Report in 2015.
That sounds great, but what was setup was farcical beyond belief with such conditions as
Now, as to the actual permit, this is the ridiculous situation:
This permission is printed double-sided on watermarked paper with your photograph and validity period included and must be presented in this format to your employer or to any relevant bodies should you engage in vocational training, employment or self-employment.
However
Due to Covid-19 restrictions, LMAU are not issuing paper copies of permissions. Your permission will be issued by email. Your permission number will be in the text of the email and a copy of the permission itself is in the accompanying pdf.
This means someone has to go to an employer with something on an A4 sheet they will have to have printed off themselves and hope an employer accepts it as legit. As reported in a linked article below, few do because it looks like a homemade document.
Furthermore, the following are the conditions for any employer who wishes to employ someone who has one of these permits
Now there is also the option to become self-employed however there are 2 stupid restrictions attached to that also. They are
In practice this means you can never grow a business beyond a one-person operation and you also are not allowed to deal with vendors or suppliers so the actual types of business you can setup are VERY limited.
The many barriers to getting work through design and error are also noted in the research paper below.
A research report has found that since asylum seekers in Ireland gained the right to work in June 2018, they are still facing major barriers in access to employment.
The report focuses on the right to decent work for international protection applicants in Ireland. Improved access to decent work is achieved not just through the creation of jobs and employment, but through the creation of jobs of acceptable quality. The report's findings indicate that employment choices are disproportionately restricted for protection applicants and refugees. They routinely have difficulty finding employment in sectors of their choosing or which are relevant to their qualifications, and as a result tend towards a small number of specific employment sectors in which they know they are more likely to find work. Such sectors include childcare, healthcare and security work.
In addition there are still many administrative barriers that prevent asylum seekers from accessing the labour market, such as having no legal right to a driving licence and issues with opening a bank account. Asylum seekers also experience difficulty in accessing employment due to work permits that seem unofficial. These permits are printed on A4 paper, and many employers are sceptical of their validity as a result. As far as women are concerned, they often find it particularly difficult to secure work due to a lack of accessible childcare.
So when some folks go around shouting about asylum seekers being a drain on the state and not working, they really look rather silly as the system has been designed and managed in such a way as to make it incredibly difficult to actually get work in the first place.
Thankfully, in February 2021 the Irish government committed to putting employment support at the core of the new model being implemented to replace the Direct Provision model, following the publication of the Day Report. The first step of this new model was to shorten the waiting time for access to the labour market for asylum seekers.
Time will tell as to how many changes will be made to rectify the farcical situation that currently exists
I never suggested I did. You said it is all eastern European workers in construction, which I have heard. Not all Europeans are EU citizens.
are you suggesting that every single person working in construction are working legally? That there is no one working for cash in the construction industry?
What an astute observation. I repeat; you know nothing about the construction industry.
Yeah it is and will be replaced by an even bigger sh1tshow thanks to Roddy O Gorman and Helen McEntee.
So why convert the one near the airport?
So the only illegal immigrant in Ireland are black or brown?
Not all Europeans are in the EU
An airport hotel?
Sure thing, 3300 have arrived since October - the word is out about the suckers in Ireland. they are all going to live in Narnia i suppose!
How callous of you to imply that illegal immigrants are black or brown. For shame sir!
My brother runs a construction company. He knows the industry inside out. It’s very rare to see a non-white laborer or tradesman. Occasionally, they are employed as security on the sites.
In the clown world certain posters inhabit, our 17K (?) new additions will fill the labor gap in the industry.
No they are not. if you knew anything about construction, you'd know that the sites are populated with Irish and Eastern European tradesmen.
Not going to happen. Direct provision is ending. Scaremongering nonsense. And we've seen the consequences of this type of scaremongering with a TDs car and hotels being firebombed.
Obviously as pointed out clearly in my post 🤷♀️
They are probably already doing that job.
Or maybe we could convince some of your undocumented / illegal buddies to pick up a trade? Win-win.
Natural population growth is declining in Ireland and throughout the developed world. If the target* is to grow the population by 1 million in 2040, that growth will increasingly skew towards migrant-driven increase as we move later into this decade and beyond.
*Note: I don't know that this is a target / goal / ambition. If true, it's batsh*t crazy.
The one n only hotel in the town we go to hollyers in the west is up for sale at the mo. Popular enough spot with yanks n Europeans floating around in the summer, tourism is vital to the town. There's whispers of it getting changed into housing refugees.
Who needs tourists spending money, when you can have a hape of spoofers hanging around the town til they get their forever homes!
Sounds like we should bring in a few thousand brickies to help with construction
Population growth. Do you think that just means immigration?
Convey is licking his lips… he’s all for more people, more private businesses being able to thrive.. Around 28,000 new houses needed per year over the long-term to keep up with just population growth…
while the ordinary citizens, taxpayers and their needs… go down the pan. Nice to become second class in our own democracy, sorry country.
democracy
Sure Coveney said as part of project 2040 that around half of the 1 million population increase by 2040 will be through migration...but he doesn't want to make migration an issue.. of course he doesn't because he and the government know damn well the majority of people would be against it, this scheme is by no means a one off
Yep, one of them being my hometown. Great success.
I guess that was why they were putting asylum seekers in Achill, Oughterard, Ballinamore, etc, etc.
It was all because of the abundance of local work opportunities.
You are either deluded or pulling the ****.
I know which one I would bet on.
Well that was a whole scoop full of crazy
I happen to live in a tiny box in Dublin that I pay nearly 2K a month for. So my circumstances don't allow for it. If I had somewhere that I could rent, then yes why not. That's just business
An Undocumented sex criminal is also one of Mcentees Undocument immigrants.Following conviction he became a Documented criminal only because the law was applied.
'...'Bagrat Kudzievi of Albert Rd, Cork city, who was living in Ireland illegally who sexually assaulted a young college student has been jailed for six years....''
How about an amnesty for Undocumented rapists,undocumented tax evaders etc.?
Only foreign criminals are being treated differently under the law via this Undocumented Immigrant Scheme. It favours those of all nationalities so long as they are not Irish.
All supporters of this scheme are vehemently anti Irish . This scheme is the embodiment of state sponsored hatred of one ethnic group,namely Irish people. Somewhere down the line an Irish child will have an operation or treatment cancelled or delayed because of the social welfare costs of this criminal scheme.
If it was legal and moral there would have been legislation put before the Dail ,debated and voted . There has been none. Helen McEntee is therefore implementing state sponsored racial hatred of its own people with this scheme.
If the locals are paying tax it certainly impacts them. The hotel doesn’t feed and accommodate free gratis…
The only benefit to people here is to businesses and business owners… drives down cost of labour, drives up the cost for the consumer in many situations… in time it will impact social welfare payments negatively, certainly increases to keep up with inflation will be a thing of the past, maybe then we’ll see a real fightback in terms of for our welfare.
Undocumented is the same as illegal.
just a more friendly BS way of saying it.
If I steal a car tomorrow would it be appropriate to exclaim..” i erroneously conveyed a vehicle,not under my direct documented ownership to xyz “
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