Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Asked and answered multiple times in this thread already
We have thr CTA with the UK, so they won’t show up in our figures. Anyone from the UK can come and go as normal and vice versa.
I can't understand how some people in Ireland seem to welcome and encourage bogus AS.
It has been well established that the AS are actually economic migrants, yet some people cheer them on, and welcome them.
Even when it is reported, over and over, of the scale of illegal immigration, for example see the Garda Operation Vantage, hundreds of bogus AS involved.
The ESRI tell us that half of AS in 2015 have arrived from that hellhole..............the UK!!!
(see ESRI RS72 p24)
https://www.esri.ie/system/files?file=media/file-uploads/2018-06/RS72.pdf
These are all illegal immigrants.
I welcome legal immigration.
I reject illegal immigration.
In that context, I welcome EU immigrants, and genuine refugees (the 6,900).
I reject bogus asylum-seeker, and rather than giving them accomm, their cases should be dealt with in under a week, at the port of entry.
Why is this great news? Honest question.
Why is rewarding illegal immigration something to be celebrated?
I really would love to see if there's any rational justification for it beyond meaningless platitudes like "the right thing to do" or wholly inaccurate comparisons to "the 'undocumented' Irish in America" (who are just as illegal and should also be sent home).
Seriously now.. What are the benefits to Ireland or Irish society?
It is Government policy to accelerate the residence/naturalisation of immigration rule dodgers. We are wasting our time giving out about it, as there is not one political entity in the Dail that opposes it either, and the media is very compliant also.
Whatever about immigration adding to our multicultural nirvana eventually, to me it seems too much far too quickly for us to absorb. That is the game plan.
If they are legal, above board, documented good luck to em
My, small hometown, had an increase in population recently of asylum seekers. They were moved into apartments that have been lying empty since they were built maybe 15 years ago. The area looks so much better now, and it has stopped the local teenagers hanging around drinking there. The kids are also attending the local schools, keeping the numbers up.
There is no negatives to these people living there.
Your apology is most sincerely accepted. I hope we can generally keep to a civil discussion on this.
What does that have to do with the hotel in question?
Interesting, according to that "Over 5,000 people were removed from the State in 2018, 95% of whom were refused entry at the port of entry and were returned to their point of origin." So 4,750 were stopped in the airport when arriving, only 250 of those already here were actually deported.
As for those gaining Irish citizenship "A total of 8,225 immigrants were granted Irish citizenship last year. The top 10 nationalities of people naturalised in 2018 were Poland (17.8%), Romania (10%), United Kingdom (8.4%), India (7.6%), Nigeria (5.8%), Pakistan (4.4%), Philippines (3.9%), Latvia (3.7%), China (2.8%0 and Brazil (2.7%)." So 2,237 Non-EEA persons out of 8,225.
Note, as a result of Brexit, the UK is now a Non-EEA country. Doesn't affect the numbers in the article as its from 2018, but anything after Brexit will count the UK as Non-EEA in the same way as Brazil, India etc
This article is worthy of a read…
I’d say five to six times those numbers that DaCor is talking about to be honest, I’m basing that on the historical trends as set out by the ESRI…
great news for them, but for the country and the wellbeing of its citizens and those here legally, a car crash disaster on a grand scale.
Not only that... if it comes off a success, in that nobody objects to it, then surely it would be valuable to implement it again at a later point?
After all, there's no indication that they're going to start deporting people, which means the numbers of illegals will rise again after a while
Yeah, what I'd heard was every 8-10 years, with an anticipated volume of around 2,000-3,000 applications each time.
The number will be higher this time around simply because its the first time its being run.
Either way, great news
Once in a generation clearly means, not a one off…
she could have just said ‘one off’ never to be repeated…..
but once in a generation…. It’s quite clear and unambiguous.
the timeline definition of ‘once a generation will be interesting’ … my guess it will be once a decade…at best, more often possibly at worst… it will be used as a political football
Welcome to boards. It's discussion and with that many varieties of opinion. Some don't seem to understand that.
Ah yeah, I saw that article. I don't see anything there about it not being a one-off though
Sure…
Minister for Justice Helen McEntee described it as a “once-in-a-generation scheme” which will improve the lives of many people who are contributing to Irish society, but who still live in the “legal shadows”.
the amnesty has been commented on by a government spokesperson as NOT a one off amnesty… this IS to become a regular practice
I'd heard a rumor but its fantastic to see someone else mention the same rumor. Great news! You don't happen to have a link to that comment by any chance?
The poster pays attention but seemingly the rights, wellbeing and happiness of those arriving trump those of the Irish citizens…that’s just their schtick anyway. Zero concern or consideration for the actual people in towns, villages and indeed cities who need to sacrifice elements of their own wellbeing and happiness to enable that of others…the government have accepted that there are approximately 17,000 people here, undocumented….begs the question what the fûck have our GNIB being doing instead chasing down these people and repatriating them…
a population approximately the size of clonmel of people here, benefiting from our resources without any right to do so.
17,000, in a country this size…scary…
surly for a few years we’d be better off spending more money resourcing the GNIB and repatriating where appropriate and at least a deterrent exists where one now, does not.
Ireland has a big ‘come and get’ sign hung out its window and the am nasty scheme is only adding to it..
the amnesty has been commented on by a government spokesperson as NOT a one off amnesty… this IS to become a regular practice… the country now will reward those who break its laws… who take from the citizens but they will now get rewarded…. Instead of a deterrent it’s an open door policy..
when asked if this is a one off or a repetitive amnesty isn’t was described by McEntee as a “once in a generation” amnesty…
in other words, tough get used to it, its going to be a feature of Irish life..
i know of a few areas where the local hotel was taken over as a DP center , Of course it has an impact , one of the main bars in the down gone , only function room of any size gone , locals who were staff there gone , along with the sudden and unsupported introduction of a large group of young males into a small provincial town ,
if you cant see that has an impact on locals your not paying attention
Apologies, I should have phrased it better. It wasn't directed at you per se, but rather what you were referring to in your post
You have construed what I wrote as a "rant". It wasn't: I was fearful of a nasty backlash against well-intentioned but naive policies.
If that's your idea of a rant, well I give up.
There may be middle class people living there, but it's a welfare/working class area.
I didn't say that it wasn't.. just that in terms of who is living in certain areas, things aren't as clear cut as they used to be.
Today its a rant against immigrants, yesterday it was against travellers, before that it was "the 1%", tomorrow it'll be HSE, the next day it'll be Europe etc etc
Thankfully we don't run the country based on the rants of the vocal few
Totally agree, it's almost like they want a "far right"
With a domestic housing shortage and the effects of such seemingly open-ended provision for undocumented/illegal/refugee/asylum-seeker immigrants (I don't know what the accepted PC description to-day is), we are heading for some very nasty reaction from those who feel that immigrants are depriving natives of housing. They may be totally wrong, but starry-eyed liberals seem to be incapable of appreciating the inevitable backlash.
I am not approving of any backlash, I just want to avoid it.
Asylum seekers can work thanks to a court ruling a few years ago. No reason to believe they will get into any kind of trouble.
And I don't know what you mean by not having a stake in the country?
I've worked here for the past 7 years. I've seen shootings, lads getting battered with hurls, a lad getting battered with a hammer, a lad dying after his scrambler hit a car, regular scrambler races down main roads hitting the speed bumps at mental speeds, vids of the local scauldys 16-18yo dancing and jeering after KMW was chopped up, robbed cars joyriding around the area. There may be middle class people living there, but it's a welfare/working class area.
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