Which is why I can't warm to this party. They have a few things right, but their "everyone in, Brits out" open borders approach is nauseating for what they traditionally sold themselves as a Nationalist Party.
Sinn Fein, the sense of entitlement will be strong and they will want more and more.
We don't have many actual journalists in Ireland, probably could count them on one hand the few we do have. Any proper journalist never gets within an asses roar of questioning government policy.
And who will the tens of thousands who arrive be voting for in the proceeding elections? The Democrats in America have been at this shyte for decades now and [sarcasm] take a look at the present-day conditions of the cities these Democrats preside over and the stunning diversity they encouraged. What a bright utopian future. [/sarcasm]
"These asylum seekers will move into new homes and will be supported by an independent allowance that will be the same level as standard social welfare payments."
This is the first I've heard of this, they are also going to get same level standard social welfare payments???
We will be looking at tens of thousands arriving every year the way they are going.
And not one journalist will grill O'Gorman on this. Or grill anyone in Government on it.
Asked whether his Department’s house buying power will make it harder for people looking to buy a home in an already pressurised market, the Dublin TD could not guarantee that they are not going up against regular buyers.
A half a billion euros to provide asylum seekers with their own houses and we are on target for about 10,000 to arrive this year.
Unreal...
We don't have enough available houses to house the 5.1m population in the Irish state whom all require a roof over their head. Couple that with an increasing amount of marital and relationship breakdowns, we're now requiring two housing units for a sizable amount of families.
We don't have enough hospital capacity to cater for the 5.1m population in the Irish state, most of whom will require treatment(s) at various stages of their lives now and over the coming decades.
We don't have enough healthcare supports capacity to cater for more people who desperately require these services, many who will end up in point 2 above if they cannot be catered for.
We don't have enough educational capacity to cater for the children that compose a sizable proportion of the 5.1m population in the Irish state. Our current policy is to sell educational capacity at third level to overseas students.
We cannot afford the welfare costs to cover the percentage of the the 5.1m population in the Irish state who don't want to work and will not work.
We cannot afford the welfare supports to support the percentage of the 5.1m population in the Irish state working poor and incoming inflation is going to severely test that capacity.
We have a huge prison capacity issue that sees hardened and repeat offenders go through a revolving door and thus make our streets more and more unsafe. Though the free legal aid train manages to get handsomely rewarded for their 'endeavours'.
Our government are a light touch on proper taxation for insanely wealthy individuals and corporations, they'd give the best deal to any person/corporation that is NOT Irish.
Our government have actively worked against the Irish state stripping it of any meaningful industry and placed us totally at the mercy of international markets, investors and speculators.
Our government will continue to exacerbate all the above issues by continuing to adopt an open borders policy, further destruction of indigenous industry and agriculture through climate change policies, continued light touch taxation for the mega-wealthy.
Our government and it's policies are the problem.
bubblypop (and those with rational voices) you are alright - thought you might need a reality check here ha.
The fact that you consider Bubbly to be a rational voice is rather suggestive considering the sheer amount of deflection contained within his posts.
TBH It really makes me wonder how much of the thread you've actually read.
And then ya it is mental (seriously) that i first heard of blaming foreigners on the housing issue. Christ, do people see how much exactly these 'foreigners/emigrants/immigrants' (and oh they are not 'expat' just because) need to pay for the insane rent? Why don't they just leave - what exactly so special about ireland that 'too many' 'foreigners/emigrants/immigrants' must come and stay here? That's some special snowflakes mindset with serious delusion and maybe some xenophobia stuff going on there?
Except, you haven't sought to counter the logic used by posters on the thread. I didn't agree with them originally (I actually considered immigrants as being unrelated to the problem), but have since been convinced that the arguments have some merit. Unless you're dismissing the argument out of hand, and unwilling to consider the rationale involved, that is.
Also, there's been very little blaming of foreigners... as people. There's been a lot of blaming towards the policies that bring foreigners here, the NGOs involved, etc. The only real consideration regarding foreigners themselves is their impact on society, and the economic considerations of an increasing population of low skilled workers.
Again, you haven't sought to counter what was said, and have just presented a very vague/general sort of judgment.
Because after all, we are a tiny nation with some small problem in the end of day - can people even try to imagine the (insane) numbers that bigger countries are dealing with? The government simply needs to do something (anything) to resolve a problem just like every other country out there. But of course, the raging corruption is ok but lets blame the "foreigners" (again, not "expat").
Insane numbers? Well.. I've lived 13 years in China, does that count? Many of the posters here have travelled and lived abroad.
Again, I'm wondering just how much of the thread you have read if you think posters are blaming "foreigners" and ignoring the corruption, or the ineptitude of our politicians/civil servants. There's been little in the way of foreigner bashing (except for period about violence). Most of the criticisms relate to the more macro considerations of immigration rather than foreigners. In fact, most posters are openly supportive towards the immigration who are skilled/educated, and who are gainfully employed.
"Multiculturism" disappeared from media in the recent 5+years iirc - it doesn't work and now it is replaced things like diversity/inclusivity etc. Regardless, long story short, imho and from what i have seen, Ireland has a long way to go to get that "Multiculturism"/diversity/inclusivity - just look around and you will see...it is a small country without much of diversities (physically). People are (always have been) friendly sure, but ya when it comes to appreciating and understanding the "foreigners/foreign cultures"? Maybe another 20/30 years and then ya maybe...
Well, over 10% of our population is foreign born. All you need to do is walk around Galway or Dublin, and you'll encounter plenty of diversity in terms of ethnicity or nationalities, in addition to the numbers coming here for tourism. Ireland has a reasonably diverse population in line with other northern European nations... and considering that many Irish people have lived/worked in the UK, OZ, or the US, they've been exposed to a diverse number of people themselves. So.. no, I wouldn't agree with you.
Multiculturalism is no different from diversity/inclusivity etc. Different words for the same thing.
I do not blame the foreigners at all, I blame policies by Irish politicians
I dont visit this board often but ya i couldnt help reading the last few pages and then i must go back to read more pages - jesus chr*st the posts are blatantly blaming on foreigners and then some posts can turn around and say "no we are not blah blah". It is a sight to watch.
OT:
2500 to rent the only 3 bed semi available in Balbriggan, the game is up for an ordinary couple trying to make their way in Ireland.
It'll represent an excellent rental opportunity for Rodericks department no doubt! Just need a few thousand more of em.
https://www.daft.ie/property-for-rent/balbriggan-dublin#3707695
€2,500 per month
Castleland Park Way, Balbriggan, Co. Dublin
3 Bed
Is he stupid or does he actively hate people trying to buy a house?
Absolute craziness...stick a fork in Ireland...she's done
The NGO endgame will be full access on arrival and an end to DP. That's what will be pushed.
O'Gorman's "Fantasy" will move from 4 months here to get a house/apartment to immediate access to housing on arrival.
I'm still trying to figure out if there's a practical plan to replace DP with something better, or whether they're just going to allow them full access on arrival...
True, mass immigration benefits the upper middles class & ruling class, it devastates the working class.
Multiculturalism however is fine, Islam, Judaism, Asians etc, but the biggest cultural clash in Ireland is between Loyalists & Nationalists.
Build it and they will come Roderick! -ALMOST 3,000 asylum seekers have arrived in Ireland in the last three months putting the current system under pressure,
https://www.thesun.ie/news/8411837/inside-end-direct-provision-plan-roderic-ogorman/
Any first time buyers better have deep pockets to outbid the government! E450 million budget no less. The sooner we go bang and get the IMF back in to run the show the better! -
Minister O’Gorman told the Irish Sun that his Department has already started a major house-buying and building spree that can be backed up by further funds from the Department of Public Expenditure if more cash is needed due to rising gaff prices.
Only open 7 months...421 rooms
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/holiday-inn-at-dublin-airport-shuts-after-seven-months-to-become-asylum-centre-1.4808471?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Ftransport-and-tourism%2Fholiday-inn-at-dublin-airport-shuts-after-seven-months-to-become-asylum-centre-1.4808471&fbclid=IwAR0Zj8BudSzM0oCKU14E1o4bmQeKRcahJeQY9KELn_mIzHoY0NmExSXKYMY
88600 immigrated to Ireland in 2019 are you obsessed with foreigners.Those figures will rise as covid restrictions end .When did this idea emerge that the government should supply housing as a right ?
there is the truth.
And, as I showed in my last post, over half of immigrants were Irish and UK nationals .
Best get onto the housing together website bubbly n tell me they're lying!
https://www.housingtogether.ie/the-social-housing-crisis-in-ireland/
All-time high rates of immigration with 88,600 people immigrating to Ireland in 2019
Sources: CSO, Housing Agency and Focus Ireland
It is not an all time high. Another lie.
CSO figures show immigration at 88,600, emigration at 54,900.
Net inward migration at 33,700
of the 88,600 who immigrated, 26,900 (30.4%) were Irish nationals. 19,700 came from the UK.
61,200 births and 30,400 deaths.
A few foreigners u say?! Now get the finger out paddy the plasterer n solve the housing crisis!
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html
All-time high rates of immigration with 88,600 people immigrating to Ireland in 2019 ( maybe someone can Google what percentage is returning ex pat's)
Those who view the world simplistically in terms of "sides" rarely have anything of value to add to a discussion.
Even Klaz who is on your side recently said the thread was at that time just foreigner bashing.
And thanking obviously false and misleading statements! I honestly never knew what a circle jerk or echo chamber was before this thread.
its a slippery slope
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