Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
You mean people staying a few months who have nothing to do all day and have no money.
Ever hear the old adage "The devil finds work for idle hands" ?
BTW you really do seem to live in an alternative universe where you fail to ever see any issue that normal people come up against.
Must be great 🙄
Then again it might be as another poster pointed out you don't care if the country goes down the pan as you have no stake in it's future?
55bn, Jaysus. I haven't heard one word about costs of ours.
And theirs was only for 6 months, after which you had to be in employment and have a legal permit. Theirs makes sense to be to be fair
There is now major major EU skepticism in Italy, Poland and Greece… not just here…in fact I’d say knowing the Italian mindset, they will be the next to depart… in fact the bookies agree…
italy in 2020 launched their amnesty program…
cost taxpayers there…. 55 billion…socially it will never be quantified but it’s nutsville.
the EU is fûcked really.
The government are morons guided by NGOs they helped create, who are afraid of any criticism.
They spend what we want and to hell with the consequences approach they have to this is echoed across many areas of Irish politics but its specifically laid bare here.
Zero long term thinking, zero plan, just an ever increasing burden on the taxpayer to avoid making hard decisions or being seen as a "bad guy/girl/person"
And there is zero alternative
Ah, obviously it will. Someone staying a night or two is just passing through, and is barely noticed. Someone staying a few months has effectively moved in to an area. That can be a positive or negative, depending on who the person is...
Its so obvious and shouldn't need to be pointed out. Best to engage honestly in the discussion, rather than just have bot-like woke responses to these threads?
As regards to not affecting the locals, the promise of a hotel would have brought about investment in the area from tourists or business people, making use of local restaurants, cafes, etc. Asylum seekers supported by the State won't have the same kind of income for spending that such visitors would have. There's also the aspect of hiring staff for the hotel... in all likelihood, the hotel being operated for Asylum seekers would operate under a much reduced capacity, and severely limits the potential for promotions (the hope of transferring within the chain of hotels, and so, gain the experience for better salaries).
A new hotel in such an area would generate a lot of income locally.. and the potential for other businesses to be spawned from association with it. Being paid by the State wouldn't have the same impact.. and besides, by the time that the State releases it for commercial operations, it'll be rundown, and dingy, doing little to add to the area.
Truth and the greater concern will be the yearly clamour for repeated amnesty… this won’t be a one off….
do the people making these decisions not question where in time we are going to facilitate the people arriving ? And the population spurt ?
will it be seen as a necessary evil, building housing in the Phoenix Park, the Burren, or along the wild Atlantic way ?
will sports and social facilities once open to the public get commandeered by the property people with planning fast tracked because we need as they will put it….‘housing’ when it’s fact ‘people’… no shortage of houses, just an over abundance and population of people all of a sudden.
Look, the UN and indeed the CSO are not making up the numbers, I’ve posted links previously the population here is getting out of hand so……
the British found out the hard way..cost of housing went up 10.8:% between 2020 and 2021… that’s according to the government’s own figures…inflation was about 2.7% nutsville…
we need to learn some hard lessons but I don’t think we can or will…already gone over the cliff.
I know people who would be considered "middle class" from there. Middle class includes a wide variety of income types (and the fact that income streams can drop considerably over a life time).. and besides, the difficulty in getting housing has pushed many middle class into areas traditionally more heavily populated by the working class.
Ok, cheers. I don't know much about Dublin, rarely have reason to visit 😀
I'm going to leave this thread now for a while, I've made my objections to this lunacy known. I'll continue to make my concerns known to my local representatives no matter how uncomfortable or annoying they find it.
I'm surprised that 3300 since October even made the news!
I see on the journal they have more pressing concerns- 20%!! of the staff signed an objection to a new catering crowd getting the gig of running the cafe in the national gallery. The problem being they also do the catering in a few direct provision centres.
Today we got an update on the story that a couple of artists have withdrawn their works in protest.
Can we possibly get a third article on the same non event?
Have that many asylum tourists ever been put into middle classes in those numbers?? It's welfare/working class.
Working/welfare class depending on what part of it you mean. The closer you get to Darndale, the more of the latter you encounter. The side closer to Beaumont is a bit better. Northside SC seems to be the dividing line.
Lived there unfortunately for years myself at one point.
Just out of interest what kind of area is Coolock? Working class, middle class?
Who are the local TD's?
... and where we continued to give away over €600m during the height of the recession. Borrowing money and paying interest to give it away!
I honestly cannot understand your - what I can only presume is - wilful "head in the sand" attitude to this topic across multiple threads. Of course there's a difference, and of course there'll be problems.
This is reality and experience. Ideology and "happy hopeful thoughts" do not change or trump that. Just ask Ukraine how that philosophy is working out at the moment!
Don't forget the close to 1bn we give away to other countries in Foreign Aid.
Wait until the implementation of Guaranteed Accommodation for Asylum Seekers after 4 months in Ireland is implemented....
That €50 million will look like chump change.
I did thanks, but thanks to others and 100% privately paid for rehabilitation I’m back up and practically running again…
but I’ll never forget this cesspit of a country, first and only time I ever needed a dig out having paid my dues / taxes for 20 years… drove past baleskin and their hotel accommodation on my trips to the ‘private’ gym I used hmmm.
I remember asking the state physio if there could be a grant I’d be entitled to to go towards buying a treadmill or cross trainer, how she laughed…
But circa 50 million of our money per annum made available to assist complete non tax paying strangers…..ensure their comfort and wellbeing ? Ok, then the cost of amnesty on top… money, education, healthcare, travel, housing for people breaking the law…. Geeee thanks Ireland !!! You have become a cesspit where a land of 1000 welcomes has become that and a land of tens of millions of giveaways
None of that makes one bit of difference to the 'locals'
A hotel full of people staying for a night or two, or a hotel full of people staying for a few months, none of it has any impact on 'locals'
Aye, it's absolutely brutal what's going on. Words fail me at this stage.
Hope you got the help one way or another 👍
When I needed a dig out for a few grand and a couple of weeks in the NRH… there was nobody in the government or the administration of our health services willing to approve my application for a few grands help but 50 million enabling the health, wellbeing and comfort of strangers… right 🤣
dystopia had to start some way.
Undocumented when they've settled and irregular while on the move.
I like the way this term ‘undocumented’ has seemed to replace the word ‘illegal’….in the common parlance of people not adhering to the rules.
"It said 3,300 new arrivals have come to Ireland since October, putting pressure on the National Reception Centre (NRC) in Balseskin, near Finglas in north Dublin. IPAS already has six accommodation deals with hotels in Dublin. It recently ran a tender, which it estimated was worth €50 million, for a further panel of accommodation providers."
Incredible, definitely a good business to be in. Guaranteed profitability. 3,300 "arrivals" in under 5 months... and another €50 million now just been made available....Ching-ching for all those involved I suppose...
At an arrival rate of 150-200 "asylum seekers" every week, thats a new hotel needed every fortnight.
He's not legitimately asking.
This is not complicated. This went through the planning process as a 10 storey HOTEL.
That's what people in the area were led to believe.
Now imagine in that planning process they were told this is actually going to be a 10 storey "asylum center".
We all know why this stuff is done the way it is. The local reaction would have put an end to that.
Instead now it's being forced on them with no consultation or no say.
Also let's drop this ridiculous language - "asylum center". A 10 storey 421 bed "slum" is the reality, everyone knows it.
And it could get even worse because there is a huge hotel beside it.
That won't be a hotel for long.
It will be one massive camp.
Appalling. No one consulted.
but what difference does it make? Why would they be angry?
At least the houses in the nearest estates aren't as isolated as those houses right by the site, they'll be looking like all those house surrounding halting sites in a short while; tall barbed wire fencing surrounding the property.
The other hotel beside it is going to get hit hard.
Because they were told this would be a hotel.
Now it's to be an "asylum center", just like that. After 7 months.
They've been conned. Simple as that.
Why would they be angry?
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