No matter how much you write Francie, I am still waiting for any evidence for your assertion that "FG are as socially conservative on other issues as FF"
It was a pretty fundamental and straightforward point you made, surely you have some evidence or facts to back that up, or do you just have your feelings on the matter to convince us? ROFL
It's not a 'difference' large enough that could not be accommodated in a merger. Through a C&S arrangement and a coalition, social issues have caused zero friction.
My point stands, it is NOT the difference you think it is and would not bar a merger between the two.
What in the name if god is ROFL meant to mean?
Most people would prefer to have their children and grandchildren alive rather than having them coming home in body bags for NI as a result of trying to enforce a united Ireland and it is a fair bet the keyboard warriors won't be the ones signing up to do.
This is cute
Not everyone knows teenage text talk
Teenage? Im in my late 30's and I was a young teenager when i first came across ROFL.
Its easily 20 years old if not older
Well none of my friends would use things like that or lol nonsense anyway this is off topic
Welcome to the internet, people use acronyms on it alot, probably should get used to it or at the very least stop acting so superior simply because your unwilling to learn.
I asked what it meant as i didnt know. Il ask no further questions
I'm in my late fifties and I have used it plenty. Not sure what you are at with a condescending attitude of it being teenage text talk.
It's not what I think. It's what the data says Francie.....
Still waiting for you to back up your claim.... dont respond to me again, until you come up with it please.
Playing the faux dumb new person... .. ROFL
Stop using the crutch of 'back it up'.
There is no onus on me to back up an opinion.
My opinion is there is a credit card width between the two parties on social issues that have multiple different views and opinions in all parties.
If FG can accommodate the conservatism of someone like Charlie Flanagan or John Bruton then they would have very little problem accommodating the views that exist in FF.
Not as big a difference as you think.
The evidence shows that your opinion is wrong.
Now, you may wish to hold on to an uninformed mistaken opinion - just like those who hold the opinion that the world is flat - but unless you can produce evidence to back up your opinion, your opinions in general just lose further credibility.
So can you refute anything I have said?
Do FG accommodate many different opinions on social issues or not? And are these opinions anymore or less conservative than those in FF?
I can't see it tbh.
There is no need to refute anything as you have comprehensively failed to back your original statement up.
You are like the man declaring that the moon is made of cheese and demanding that others refute it. Similar levels of credibility.
There isn't anyway of backing it up, it is my opinion.
FG would never have legislated for SSM for instance without the shelter provided by the citizens assembly and abortion rights led to them losing members and the Reform Alliance.
So different shades of opinion exist in the party, that is quite clear.
I don't see social issues causing any friction between the two - do you?
So it is fair to say that 'social issues' would not be a difference big enough to block a merger. It ain't rocket science.
Sure, the moon is made of cheese. And rainbows and unicorns will pay for a united Ireland.
Yeah that would be only awful..
Some poeple would rather see their children and grandchildren consigned to poverty for a United Ireland business as usual.
"Without the Blueshirts, there would have been no Fine Gael"
Things are bad so..... lets potentially make them worse? That is your argument.
I agree things arent great for a lot of people which is why if given the option I would deffinitely vote against potentially burdening my children and their childrens children with even more debt than they already will have not to mention the monumental societal issues and security concerns that would exist if a UI was to happen tomorrow or even in the next decade.
NI needs to sort their **** out first both societally and economically before id consider voting for a UI.
There will always be one poster who manages to bring whatabout Blueshirts into every thread where Sinn Fein face criticism.
No, nothing to do with the moon, just an éxpose of FG chest thumping about being socially liberal, they are more a party good at jumping on bandwagons when the time is opportune.
If (and emphasis on if, I don't want to get dragged down the rabbit hole of whether that if is true, I'm purely talking about the hypothetical if), NI's social and economic sh*t is a symptom of partition, would you still stand by that as your standard for voting and just accept that NI will remain a sh*tshow instead of engaging in a process that could (in time) create a more prosperous NI and benefit the whole island? I'm aware I'm treating a situation with a much greater level of grey as a black and white one in this hypothetical, so any answer you give will also inherently be a simplification
Would you be equally opposed to other long term social projects that would take a period of time to create an overall net benefit?
No. My argument is that we are well capable and have a track record for every scaremongering thing he listed just going about our business. I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
Northern Ireland will never improve until its part of a UI. I think it will help the rest of the country too. A change in the political landscape for one.
No. He made some scaremongering claims and a remark about republicans and I showed they all related to the government parties. You have an obsession with bringing SF into everything. Especially when the government face criticism.
I dont believe there is any potential project on the scale of an Irish reunification that would be comparable so I dont think the question is really a valid one tbh.
If there is any real unbias evidence that a UI would not bankrupt the country and create societal problems for decades to come I haven't seen it.
The 'old' country won't exist anymore to be 'bankrupted'.
I think a few people on here need to get it out of their heads that it will be take-over and we carry on where Wextminister left off and rule them as a statelet.
They will be part and parcel of the new unified country of Ireland.
TBF for the last 100 years up to today its been a bloody mess. Currently dysfunctional. We need to look at how a UI would effect everyone not just from our perspective down south. Having a solid 100% self representation would solve a lot of it.
So no evidence yet to back up your position that the moon is made up of cheese and that FG are as socially conservative on other issues as FF. My guess is that evidence the moon is made of cheese will be easier to get.
Contraception, divorce, abortion and gay marriage, over the decades Fine Gael have been ahead of Fianna Fail on all of these issues. Pretending that you don't know that is equivalent to pretending that you think the moon is made out of cheese.
Your lack of credibility deepens each time you deny this.
