Repeating the same lie doesn't mean its true Francie.
FG and FF are different parties, just like the Greens. There is no 'merger'.
No lie. Just relating what I see. The Greens are distinct. I see no distinction between FG and FF and the way they put their almost 100 years of sham fighting in a drawer to coalesce doesn't help my perceptions.
'What I see'
Well, some people claim to see angels and ghosts.... That doesn't mean it's true.
FF and FG are two distinct parties. There is no merger.
You can repeat that line if you want, but it's a lie. Up to you if you want to repeat lies.
What I see is not a 'lie'>
Tell us what you see, what is the 'difference' between them?
For one I would see FF as more socially conservative and more populist than FG.
How so? What are FF more socially conservative on than FG?
Look at the 8th Amendment.
Half of the FF parliamentary party were against repealing the 8th.
The vast majority of FG were for it.
It was the same with their cote vote.
FG voters are more socially liberal, FF voters more socially conservative.
Just one example in how they are different. You will of course ignore it.
There were plenty in FG that had issues with the 8th and social reform, the Tanaiste being a case in point on SSM.
That really isn't the distinction you think it is.
Forgot that Leo is for a United Ireland. That would make the leaders of all 3 major partys in the 26 in favour of it
... and like clockwork you ignore it....
Never change Francie...!
Ignore what?
Your argument has been countered and you hit the eject button. Never change Mark. Elements of FG are as socially conservative than FF...debate?
Ignore the polling data that shows a big divergence between FF and FG on the issue of abortion...
It's a common theme of yours, ignore data that doesn't suit your argument.
I didn't ignore anything.
There are elements in FG who are as socially conservative as in Fianna Fail.
There are elements in SF that are more socially conservative than others.
You have made a distinction that is weak, FF and FG coalesced at the drop of a hat to retain power and are totally comfortable with one another...which was my point.
People that would vote no because of increased taxes need to have a good look at themselves, id rather see the country united and be broke for the next 50 years if that's what it took.
A United Ireland is wanted by all 3 main parties in the 26. Once SF are in control, the wheels will be in motion
It's amazing the number of delusions you display in one post.
You ignored polling evidence that displayed clear distinctions between FF and FG in your hilarious and desperate attempt to claim that they are both the same. Its like debating with a flat-earther or an anti-vaxxer.
As I said over half the FF PP were against repealing the 8th.
FG came nowhere near that number, despite your claims that 'some' FG members were.
So in summary, there is one distinction between FF and FG.
Not my problem you don't believe it.
Haha, you are funny. Stick around.
So some members of both FF and FG were against it
Clutch on to your few bob hold it tight!
So you would like to see a UI be considered a failure both nationally and internationally? Basically the ends justify the means ehh? no matter who gets hurt?
Ill gladly be voting no if the flag or anthem are on the table add the likely tax increases as well potential security concerns on top and its a no brainer for me and many that I know. You mgiht be surprised at younger generations attitudes to this who have grown up seeing NI as a different country and hold no allegiance to it or a UI.
Some poeple would rather see their children and grandchildren consigned to poverty for a United Ireland. We had the same type of thinking in the last century when radical republicans aligned with Nazi's to further the cause.
It's not the distinction you think it is. FG are as socially conservative on other issues as FF. Other parties differ internally on these issues too.
Do you have any evidence of this claim Francie? Like proper polling on the issues?
Or you making stuff up again?
No, I don't need 'polling' to understand that parties have different opinions within them on social issues. Renua and Aontu are examples of the extremes not being able to survive within parties. You have all colours in between as well.
Not the difference you think it is, is the point.
Well, that's you then.
Most of us are more interested in the practical realities of life rather than rainbow stuff like flags and symbols.
So you made a claim....
It's not the distinction you think it is. FG are as socially conservative on other issues as FF.
...and when called to back it up with some data or facts.. you simply cannot.. it just all Feelzzz
Good one!
Ill take the win on this one I think.
I am observing them over the years.
There are a rainbow of opinions within all parties.
The existence of that opinion is not something that would cause issue if they officially merged, is the point (i.e. It is not the 'difference you think it is) All parties mostly cope with mixed opinions on social issues, except when the more extreme break away to form new parties, as we have seen.
Anecdotal
Not my argument
Grade A horse manure and tripe.
Please backup your assertion that " FG are as socially conservative on other issues as FF" or admit you are wrong.
The longer you go whatabouting this, without any evidence just shows you up.
"A few days"
ROFL
What is your argument again?
Are you going to tell us now that FG don't have a range of opinions on social issues? The current Tanaiste has only recently changed his mind on a social issue that campaign groups lobbied for. FG like FF resisted vehemently change in that area.
Their differences could be easily accommodated in a merger, is the point. Their credit card width differences isn't causing any friction that I can see.
Take the point or leave it.
