Lowry used his position in power for financial gain. Of course I would object to somebody who would use information they are privvy to for their or somebody else's gain.
We know who we are talking about in relation to SF, people who were encouraged by the likes of Simon Harris's party to get involved in democratic politics. They never mentioned there was a ceiling at the time. Hypocritical. Also hypocritical when we look at who was in government here up until the 60's and 70's - former political prisoners with records.
Nonsense, he didn't kill anyone. I know who you're referring to an innocent Irishman who had been falsely accused of the bombing died while in drug rehabilitation a few months later.
Returning a verdict of death by misadventure, the jury decided that inadequate care played a part in his death. The jury said during the treatment he had a heart attack and a fit, resulting from inadequate care.
He died because he was in the bus that a murderer was on.
Sinn Féin councillors opposed 5,121 not 6,000!!!
He lied
recent election results and plenty of poles say otherwise.
sf are growing in popularity, people know their past and are not bothered by it as ffg have the same past all be it earlier in time.
even if sf were to stop commemmorating brave freedom fighting volunteers many of it's voter base are not going to follow suit.
Complete and utter nonsense, he died several months later while in rehabilitation for heroin addiction.
The case went to trial over inadequate care and him being given extremely high levels of morphine. The jury said during the treatment he had a heart attack and a fit, resulting from inadequate care.
Professor Griffin Edwards, a psychiatrist and expert in addiction behaviour, had commented on the high blood levels of morphine and methadone in the man's body. He said he died as a result of grossly negligent treatment at the rehabilitation center he was in.
Dr Gary Gerson, who carried out the treatment at the Wellbeck, denied knowing there had been two deaths from this treatment in the United States.
Should Lowry be able to run for office?
If your answer is yes, then, in your own terms, you are a hypocrite as well.
If the answer is no, then those who have done worse than Lowry should also be banned running for office.
I don't believe they should be banned, but I would object to some running for office based on their past misdeeds and call them out for it.
I'm not discussing 'your' view of this. It is the hypocrisy of government ministers I am referring to. If you are 'astonished' that these people have done exactly what you exhorted them to do and want some how to stop them (I presume, why mention it otherwise) then you are a hypocrite and a liar to boot. You should have laid out that ceiling when writing and signing agreements.
A bit of a deflection going on there, so noted (lest it expose yourself). I don't think the Government should have to keep schtum in these examples, I don't believe the text of the GFA goes that far (for good reason, because it would be ridiculous), thus you can't put the behavior of the government in objecting to people holding positions down to being hypocritical, as much as you'd like to (well, you can say what you want, but you'd just be wrong). You're trying to manufacture the outrage and using the GFA as a shield to do so.
The government signed the bloody thing and are guardians of it. It is an 'active' agreement still to be fully implemented.
You can't have it every which way is the point. To raise a whinge about something you encouraged now is political playacting and hypocrisy.
Again, not really answering the questions, but nowhere in the GFA does it say that people can't object to individuals taking certain positions (and do notice I'm not naming any names or positions).
If they put a ban in place, by all means, allow them to join you on the hypocrisy train.
To take your reading of the agreement, the government couldn't run against individuals going for those positions as running against them is essentially a form of objecting to them.
I haven't paid much attention before, but this is a pretty warped reading of the GFA and makes me wonder what other parts of it are being misrepresented.
Stretching anologies to breaking point is not really helping your argument.
It is hypocritical to exhort and encourage people to get involved in politics then get huffy when they look like getting into government. It is control impulses gone mad.
It is similar to the hypocrisy that they indulge when decrying SF in politics here while criticising them when they don't engage in the north for whatever reasons. They are good enough for northern citizens but not for us.
Likely an Islamic terrorist some where justifying 9/11 and 7/7 just like you . Good company for you
I'm pretty sure that you're doing the stretching here by telling the government they can't object to individuals due to the GFA.
Unless you thinking "getting huffy" is putting a legal block on it?
Are you really saying that the government isn't allowed to "get huffy" about it? A simple yes/no here should be fine (seeing as you're bringing in this state as contravening the GFA for some reason). Wondering how you'll skip around this, that's the real mystery remaining here.
Nothing like that at all, what is basically the IRA is now the most popular political party in Ireland North and South. They clearly had some legitimacy to achieve that.
The government can do what they want, and they can also be hypocrites. It's nothing more than crude grandstanding and emotive blackmailing of the electorate as well as ignoring how this state was formed and run for many years by similar people.
'These people are good enough to go into education and other places but how dare they respond to the encouragement to enter politics and be successful at it' is basically what they are saying.
Lol ye have no self awareness at all do ye. Terrorist scum doesn't stop being Terrorist scum with the signing of an agreement . Especially when ye are still hip deep in organised crime
That's your opinion Mike, a large percentage of Ireland don't, and never have regarded the IRA as terrorists.
Again bull . Ira are were and always will be terrorists and every one knows that.
i am not involved in organised crime and neither is the other poster.
please withdraw this disgraceful and untrue claim.
Who is everyone Mike? Speak for yourself.
Michael Collins was a terrorist?
Who are you speaking for Harry.
How do you know what other posters are up to. So has very clear send well established links to organised crime save your indignation for some gullible teenager
I'm not speaking for everyone like you claim to be.
How did sf do in elections pre gfa ?
Well they didn't contest elections in the Republic until the late 80s and they were barely contesting any seats or putting any effort into the campaign in the Republic until the mid 2000s, the biggest poll on IRA support in the Republic during the troubles in 1979 showed 22% of people supported the IRA and a further 27% were neutral meaning they didn't support them but they weren't opposed to them either.
In regards to Northern Ireland, in the first Westminster election they contested in 1983 they swooped in and stole nearly half the Catholic vote from the SDLP. The SDLP already had an established vote in Northern Ireland but despite this Sinn Fein got 105,000 votes and the SDLP got 135,000 votes.
So no mandate Harry ya .?
No just like Connolly, Pearse and Michael Collins when they took part in the 1916 rising they did so without a mandate. As well as all the rebels that came before them in the previous hundreds of years.
Sure, but they're not hypocrites in this case, there's nothing in the GFA that says everyone has to sit back and let them be "successful at it". What you're doing is perverting the GFA to your own ends so it's good to see you keep on digging here as it can't be avoided in the future.
And I have noticed the lack of question answering in the process ("the government can do what they want" isn't an answer to whether they're allowed to get huffy without being labelled hypocrites due to the GFA).
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