Of course, I should have known, people in 2022 have the same outlook as those in 1979 over forty years ago.
Thats the answer, nothing changes in forty years
Sorted.
Have you any data to back up the feeling in your waters Brendi?
Seems to me that anyone who read the agreement before they voted (I know I did) accepted the fact that these people on both sides were being encouraged into a constitutional path.
It's beyond hypocrisy that one of the signatories of that agreement (the Irish Government of FF and FG) is now whinging because these very people are at the gate.
Francie, a chara, let’s get down and dirty,you are nobody to talk about hypocracy, or ‘telling lies’.
Totally without any credibility.
Thats how I see it .
I don't think it's hypocrisy to say that someone is allowed to run for a position (or be installed into a position) while also pointing out that their past makes them unsuitable for such a position.
Unless they go for a legal ban then it should be fair to point out past transgressions. Michael Lowry is a complete sh*t based on what he's done in the past, it's perfectly OK to bring that up, for example, but he can still run for office, he just has to put up with the attacks based on past actions. "You agreed to let me run" isn't a defence.
By all means bring it up, they aren't hiding from what I can see.
It's rank hypocrisy to now propose that there be some bar to them being in government, that is the point.
They can say their past makes them unsuitable for the position all they want, SF voters clearly don't think it does.
Brendi seems to think SF voters despise Sinn Feins past but they simply get on with it because of how great their economic policies are, which I can understand although I don't believe it to be the case. It doesn't make much sense though, if the political wing of the UVF started running for elections down here no one would vote for them because of their past no matter how great their economic policies were.
Crystal clear afaic. MM and FFG are spoofers.
Thanks for proving my point.
No problems. Spelt it out for you clearly,:
MISLEADING.
If sinn fein had any sense they would get together the figures for how many houses they voted in favour of. If they voted in favour of 100k and objected to 6k, then fair enough. If they voted in favour of none and objected to 6k then its clearly a tactic
First they steal the life of a stupid young man then they steal his memory from his family . Disgusting people Disgusting party
They are not stealing anyone's memory, Ed would have wanted to be remembered as the brave IRA volunteer that he was. No one forced him to join the IRA, may he rest in peace.
The point was that it isn't hypocrisy as much as you would like, or claim, it to be.
And that you're not in a position to tell others what hypocrisy is either, particularly around bringing up of past events.
I think the world has long given up on getting figures on anything from Sinn Féin, the argument could be put to bed by the posters on here with a bit of research.
Of course it is not hypocrisy to stand in the Dáil and deliberately mislead. Of course not. Amazing what you will stand over tbh.
It's hypocrisy if you then accuse others of misleading, but you seem to be getting mixed up on what you're calling hypocrisy now:
The above quote (from yourself) isn't an example of hypocrisy.
And just to be clear, the claim is called misleading due to the figures involved not due to the claim, it looks like about 3000 were objected to by SF with others being objection at the rezoning or for other issues level.
But again, the time would be better spent showing the actual figures (and also govt objection figures as there has been plenty I believe) as SF are now tarred as the serial objectors based on the data involved.
Get data that removes that tarring.
What's hypocritical about my post?
If you read the GFA you would know that people were encouraged into democratic politics.
You cannot now get in a twist because they did precisely that.
I did think you were referring to Martin in the Dáil...apologies.
Bull . His family feel very different
Preying on the weak as usual . Provo scum like that are part of the sickness that is sf
No problem.
But again, it's not hypocritical to put the framework in place to let someone do something but object to them doing so, the first is giving them the freedom the second is doubting that their character is suitable for such a position.
If they went to ban them from taking up a position, that would be hypocritical. The bit of me that would vociferously support the freedom for Lowry to run (for example) does not mean that I can't say I think he should be in jail and unsuitable for that position (I'm using Lowry as an example as it avoids much of the he said/she said that happens on this thread, and everyone bar those in Tipp North seems to have a similar opinion of him).
Nice sidestep there.
Why object if you are not seeking to stop the appointment.
Ed was an IRA volunteer, he died while on active service, with all due respect to his family they don't have the right to whitewash his memory because they feel ashamed. Ed was not ashamed, he was a brave IRA volunteer and NO ONE can take that away from him.
Micheal Martin lying in the Dail. I for one am amazed
Know him well did you ?
For Lowry, should he be allowed to run? (imo: yes)
Do you have any objection to him running based on past misdeeds? (imo: yes)
That is not hypocritical.
Hypocritical would be me saying he's allowed to run then working to put a law in place banning him from running.
Oh the brave IRA volunteer blowing up innocent people going about their.daily business in public transport. What a brave man
absolute nonsense.
they are simply remembering a volunteer who gave his life for his country, whether you agree with his actions or not doesn't change this.
He didn't lie though did he? Sinn Fein did make those.objections
That part of the agreement is not a key component, end of.
Neither does it say that it is appropriate for convicted terrrorists to be part of government.
The bomb exploded prematurely killing him and injuring a few others. You have your opinion on that and I have mine. He was a great man in my eyes and in the eyes of the most popular party in Ireland North and South.
I know what happened. It actually killed another innocent irishman who was in the bus.
So long as Sinn Fein insist on commemorating murderers, then they will never be a choice for the majority of this country.
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