Russia would never invade if the US, EU, UK all made it clear that they would protect Ukraine through military action. Instead they have walked away, and made it clear to Putin he has a clear path.
This sort of propaganda has been force fed to Russians daily for many years.
You are quoting Tucker Carlson on Fox News. That man is a round-the-bend, conspiricist Trump supporter.
Must say,it's almost amusing to watch RT coverage today of the clearing of the Ottawa truck protests
Apparently Trudeau is a dictator and it's an affront to democracy...
RT has no self awareness
And of course, as the Americans know full well, strong economic ties are one of the key strategies to avoid major wars. A big part of the reason why institutions such as the EU even exist.
Which begs the question, why would you want to do the opposite when dealing with a nation as potentially dangerous as Russia?
Even if you believe Putin and Russia are bad actors in the world, attempting to cut them adrift and isolate them, would appear to be a very foolish objective that puts everyone's security at risk. Surely we already have enough hostile rogue isolated states in the world, that are angry at the west?
But then we're talking about America here. A country that tried to get rid of terrorism, by going in and sh!tting all over the arab world with their illegal wars.
It's like no matter how many times they make these mistakes, they never learn a single lesson. But hopefully here in Europe, we can wise up and not follow their lead on this.
I haven't changed I still believe a full invasion is likely but taking the Donbas is also an invasion as I said. Or any other part of Ukraine for that matter.
As for proof of red flags, Ukraine said yesterday that the incidents were by Russian secret service , so by your own logic that should be enough since you take their quotes so seriously.
But to go further Putin has made claims of Genocide in Donbas of Russians with zero evidence. And evacuated people from there claiming Ukraine are poised to attack with zero evidence. They also released a video of an attack supposed to be from yesterday which was uncovered to have been filmed from two days ago. This in combination with the Duma recognising Donbas as a legit Republic all makes it clear.
I'm frightened by both.
NATO offensive may be launched from Romania?
I'm seeing a huge increase in military traffic over the Country. Currently KC-135, C-130 and Beechking signals aircraft airborne. Yesterday, 4 f-16's were airborne.
I am more frightened by the brainwashing from Russian and Chinese disinformation.
It's frightening how Americanized the Irish political and media establishment has become. There is more vibrant and open critique of the USA/D.C./the MIC in the USA than there is in Ireland. Our island is fast becoming an overseas territory of the Democratic Party. What business have Irish people cozying up to imperial powers of any stripe, anyway, be they Russian, or American? They are free to do so, but it just seems so ahistorical.
False flags can be expensive since Putin is stealing all the money
This guy has some good information.
I think the Irish government has already made it clear that Ireland's part in this war is to vigorously condemn Russia so that we can get some brownie points from the USA. We are unlikely to start actually helping the people of Ukraine.
If 'we' is Ireland, we should be organizing humanitarian assistance to Ukranian and Russian civilians caught up in this power play. Also streamlining visas for displaced Ukranians that want to come to Ireland. We should also offer streamlined visas for displaced Russians from Eastern Ukraine that would rather come to Ireland than be shoved off into to Russia. (Reasonable numbers of course for both sets.)
All 'we' have is gesturing.
It's quite clear to anyone who can take a balanced look at the situation that the USA clearly want a conflict in Ukraine so they can introduce economic sanctions and counteract increasing Russian economic ties with Western Europe, especially with Germany such as the NordStream project.
OK so for "peace" everyone should just allow the Russians to do whatever they like and not even point it out?
We have a lot of problems, and I don't like the direction the country is going but it's still better than what's happened in Russia. It's actually genius as well when they straight-up say something they know isn't true and they know everyone knows it and everyone knows they know. There's almost like a cringe reaction to it, like it just isn't a logical way to behave. But it works. And it goes back to well before Putin.
Even some of the democrats are capable of seeing the wood from the trees here.
For the sake of peace and security in the world, we really need to hope more leaders wake up and recognize the true nature of what is going on here. More common sense is needed, and less irresponsible warmongering rhetoric.
Yeah but I'm happy to be influenced by America and democracy
The Russian Administration or China isn't
Imagine having to consult the population on matters when you can just jail or poison them instead
It would be a terrible nuisance.
Actually there was a post ( several pages back) where a poster gave a very good description of how Putin keeps and holds power. His chief mastermind is an actor, who is a bit of a genius at manipulating masses of people. He supports different organizations, even ones opposing each other, but he is the puppet master who pulls the strings. He is credited with causing a lot of the friction in the US elections, sowing doubt and confusion, and also the same thing with Brexit. But you would have to read the post ( I'll see if I can find it again) Or maybe the poster will read this and repost? Well worth reading it again.
As for the election Nrs, you are right. And you don't have to go any further that this Country to prove that. I agree that our "Democracy" is largely an illusion, but at least it gives an electoral process, and change is possible. So it's a whole lot better than a murderous dictatorship.
No, MFPM didn't mention those bits! He is
a murderous kleptocrat bent on destruction of democracy in Europe and America
according to O'Toole and
thuggish shapes are being thrown not just at Ukraine but at small countries to which Ireland is closely allied in the European Union: Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.
In another post MFPM says Russia has a right to "point out how their security is potentially compromised by a particular organisation such as NATO". Very lawyerly.
They've been doing a sight more than "pointing out" such differences with Ukraine and/or the US/UK/EU over last half decade or so. The aggression towards Ukraine has been gone into in detail on thread already. Maybe Putin would have gotten further in obtaining what he wanted there with a honey rather than a vinegar policy post maidan, but all seems too late now.
Nothing about various tactics Russia has used on EU countries and the US/UK. Some of the worst of it edges towards acts of war. e.g. sending men to assasinate a persona-non-grata and using such an indiscriminate and nasty weapon that they contaminate a large area and kill civilans, passenger aircraft becoming "collateral damage" during your proxy wars. The latter was likely carelessness or recklessness, but as in Salisbury perhaps that ends up being part of the message. We'll do what we want/need to attain our goals and we don't care who or what gets hurt in the crossfire so stay out of the way. I suppose it is "pointing something out" in same way as a violent criminal delivering a beating or murdering someone is just "pointing something out".
Even Boris Johnson is making a show of Putin. That must be tough for Putin and his followers to take.
Putin has turned this into a no win situation for himself now and it's the Russian and Ukrainian people who are going to suffer.
@HerrKapitan Who are you to tell me who do I think I am... do you see where that argument is going. Do you have any credible evidence to show that France and Germany are puppets of the U.S.
If so, please share, otherwise you will have to accept that France and Germany are not U.S. puppets and are independent sovereign nations which are not in the thrall of the U.S.
Think he's gambled and already lost. Dont think he expected such a response from the Western world.
Invades, he will suffer
Dont invade, he will suffer
Several times in the past Raoul, there have been attempts to get rid of Vladimir, and they all failed because he ruthlessly cracked down on them. So even if there were mass demonstrations against invading Ukraine, he would use the same tactics. Question is would that tactic still work if body bags start coming home in increasing Nrs?? And despite all the suppression of external news media, there's always a certain amount getting through. This is one big gamble for him...
Who are you to tell what reasonable people think, and how future posts from a poster will be perceived?
What the **** are you talking about?
I come at it from a different angle: I don't give a feck which MIC or 'great power' administration is outsmarting another or dominating the battlefield or winning hearts and minds. I do care about (in order) civilians and serving military and the waste of life and opportunity. And I care about out little country surviving a world with giant violent trolls like Russia, China, the U.S., France, U.K. et al. in it.
The Russian Separists continuing to act up will make it difficult for Russia to step back without losing face.
The Occupation leaders in Donetsk really are pushing things at the moment. Faking car bombs, attacks on Chlorine facilities, cutting off water supplies, shelling Ukrainian positions, and now claiming civilian casualties from saboteur attacks. Now they also claim to have found a Ukrainian invasion map.
This is totally been used by Russia as a reason to invade.
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