Doubt it. As pointed out again and again, the DNR/LNR serves Russian interests far better as a controlling factor in Ukrainian politics. For people who have a fantasy about an evil Russian empire, you're not half enough cynical.
If the DNR/LNR is ever annexed to Russia, it will be when Russia has given up on influencing Ukraine as a whole.
It's also worth noting that domestic Russian politics is full of lunatics whose only purpose is to make the ruling regime look statesmanslike by comparison. There are Russian "domestic" politicians like Zhirinovsky who called for nuclear waste to be dumped in the Baltic states and Alaska to be reconquered from the US so Ukrainians could be deported there. Again if you're cynical enough, you realise these guys are only tolerated by the ruling regime in Russia so they make the regime look sane. The end result is you cant read anything a domestic Russian politician says as being indicative of what the ruling regime thinks.
Has the Ukrainian president also been influenced by Gemma O'Doherty? He also made the exact same speculations as the poster you're referring to.
I didnt mention a full scale invasion in the post.
But seeing as you asked me I answered.
Nowhere did I say the Western narrative was rubbish. Its calling out Russia as it quacks like a duck. Of course that may be a feint. But so might the Western response to it to deter it.
If you want to talk about a rubbish narrative look at the propaganda lies coming out of the Kremlin and their stooges in Donbas.
Watching the senile old man reading from a teleprompter, the world is truly fucked. Putin must be sitting back laughing his arse off at the state of america currently.
Right, they're lunatics and you believe in a contagious mind virus. Maybe you have a lot in common?
I've at least three high profile examples of it. Former journalists. Non Gemma and others who used to be relatively sane.
Something snapped in them now they're on a mission. It has definite symptoms of a condition off of it. There's no other explanation.
Whose Gemma O'Doherty? Honest question. I see certain types quote her a lot but I they seem to be Twitter types.
This will be the annexation of the DNR/LNR, which was nominally a Communist motion in the fake parliament.
What are you even talking about, you just said in your previous post to another poster "when did I mention a full scale invasion" implying you don't believe it.
Please clear this up for me, so you and a few others in this thread believe an invasion of Donbas is very possible, but disbelieve the western narrative about a full scale invasion that Biden said just a few days ago would include an overwhelming attack against Kyiv the capital.
Are we all in agreement that the Western narrative is rubbish?
What a load of garbage.
LOL
I thought false flags were the stuff of conspiracy theories.
The road paved by Gemma O'Doherty has had many people follow her down it.
Its like the cobble together of gobbledy gook.
Posters who used to be legit falling down the social media rabbit hole. Reminds me of a few medium profile loopy loopers on Irish Twitter. People that were for all intent and purpose normal 5 years ago. Down a trump, covid and now Russia rabbit hole. Soon to be followed up by climate agenda.
Genuine bang of adhd off it.
@sand that's some waffle
It's a possibility, the Ukrainian president himself speculated in an interview that this was why the USA was exaggerating and stirring up the situation in Ukraine.
No not at all. Those are the shapes Russia are throwing.
Whether it comes to pass or is a shape they are throwing as a prelude to an incursion is Russian tactics.
The US arent inventing a threat. The response of Ukraine and NATO is a factor in what Russia thinks it can get away with.
The current Ukraine crisis is just the latest episode in what is really the long running Nordstream 2 crisis. Various hawkish factions in the US, backed up by factions in NATO (i.e. Poland and the Baltic states) are obsessed with preventing Russia selling gas directly to Germany. Some of the motivation is financial (no middleman fees for EE, no sales of LNG for US producers) and some of the motivation is Russophobia. It has to be remembered too that the Biden family has a lot of personal investment in Ukraine too.
The whole Navalny "assassination" was an earlier attempt to browbeat the Germans into cancelling the project. Of all the countries in the world, Navalny was sent to Germany to ensure a reaction (i.e. cancel NS2) to that "assassination" was a front and centre issue for Germany.
The problem for those manufacturing these "crises" to manipulate Germany, is the Germans - however browbeaten and down at heel they are naturally - realise easy access to cheap Russian gas is an existential requirement for Germany in the light of the extremely dumb plan to cancel nuclear power. If NS2 is cancelled, Germany ceases to be an industrial power. This is why the Scholz-Biden press conference was so entertaining - Biden literally treated Scholz as a vassal state - setting German policy on NS2 as the US overlord - whilst Scholz desperately attempted to disagree whilst not being seen to disagree with his liege lord.
The US is really reluctant to sanction Germany, but don't be amazed if it does just that when the Ukrainian war scare fails to motivate Germany to cancel NS2. There are factions in the US and NATO which are that irrationally hostile to NS2 that they would risk a sanctions war with Germany, and by extension the EU.
The thing is though - while factions might enter a conflict with certain motivations, things can rapidly go out of their control or aims as other factions react and take advantage. The assassins of Archduke Ferdinand were hardly motivated by dreams of a global conflict afterall, but they set the stage for others to act. Hardliners in the US and NATO might be motivated by a dream of making NS2 untenable, but by ratcheting up tensions and rhetoric they could be setting the stage for other factions to take control.
OK so we are all in agreement then that the US narrative of a full scale invasion is a load of crap? The USA has always said that the imminent invasion meant a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Biden said just last week that we would likely see a full scale invasion of Ukraine in the next few days that would include an overwhelming attack against Kyiv the capital.
Finally we are getting somewhere on this thread.
Stop watching sky news. I know I made sure of it when they immediately started suggesting that the Irish were behind 7/11 when that happened.
There are plenty of factual, reputable sources of news out there.
Russians look to have blown up a major gas pipeline now.
I guess you should know propaganda seeing as your posts are pretty obvious conduits for it.
Give Russia 1 a go, a lot worse being said on there.
You go on a whole spiel which really just amounts to weasel words about the difference between a "large scale" invasion and an invasion. Nothing to see here no sirree.
Where did my post mention a full scale invasion?
Where does the Ukranian president say there is no chance of a invasion by Russia which has already invaded Ukranian territory?
It is Russia which has set this tinderbox up. Any explosion will be triggered by them. And all culpability.
Sky News 'Security and Defence Editor' Deborah Haynes...'this is what we've been told by Western officials to look out for'...not an ounce of interrogation, not a single question raised...this isn't journalism, this is propaganda..
What gain is that. Biden wanted to normalise all international relations after the last **** show.. But your bro and I say that with a smile because you defend murderous dictators who cling to power for decades. Doesn't want normality. He wants a weaker Europe.
Biden no more wants a conflict in Ukraine than a hole in the head.
Ok so let me just get this straight so I can understand you all better, some people here believe that an invasion of Donbas is possible but disagree with the US narrative that they are planning an all out invasion against Ukraine like what Biden said just a few days ago would include an overwhelming attack against Kyiv the capital. Can one of you please explain to me so I know exactly where people are coming from?
When the USA said a full scale invasion is imminent, Ukraine have always said a full scale invasion is very very unlikely
Joe Biden, due to have a press conference to tell us what he told us last week and week before, invasion is 'imminent', 'highly likely' etc, etc. He plucked Kamala Harris from relative obscurity too to send her to Munich, in fairness her poll ratings are lower than JB so good move to get her in on the act and try give her a boost.
The US has always warned of the “very distinct possibility” of a Russian invasion of the whole of Ukraine, just last week Biden claimed a Russian invasion is likely to happen in the next few days, potentially involving an overwhelming attack on Kyiv, and told all remaining Americans to leave the country in the next 48 hours.
They are stirring up the conflict for their own gain, Ukraine doesn't believe a full scale attack against Ukraine is a realistic possibility. They have always said this is extremely unlikely, it's almost as if the USA want things to escalate so that they have justification for introducing sanctions against Russia. The Ukrainian president speculated on the reasons the USA might be stirring up the conflict, the president of Ukraine said it may have something to do with Nordstream, the pipeline between Germany and Russia as many gas producers in the USA are in direct competition with Russian producers. Although he stressed this was just speculation and he was unaware of the real reasons he was doing it.
Why would Putin commit to a large scale invasion?
Some of you guys are so wrapped up in the sensationalist news stories, that you haven't even taken the time to engage your own brains on this. That is of course, assuming any of you even have the critical faculties to pull that feat off.
Putin is achieving largely what he wants / needs without bringing large scale troops across the border. The Ukrainians have been suggesting as much, and cautioning against the dangerous American rhetoric. Which is potentially doing huge damage to their country.
They have their foot on Ukraine's throat, and they can pretty much keep it there indefinitely until they get some concessions out of the west.
America seems to want and need the entire tinderbox to be set on fire, so they can convince the Germans to abandon the pipeline. And other objectives too. I would be surprised if Putin falls for this strategy. It's far too obvious, and the propaganda is not having the effect that they thought it would. (apart from with a few naive people on forums like this one)
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