I think you mean twittersphere but whatevs.
You know people are struggling in a discussion when they engage in inflammatory hit and runs and refuse to actually discuss anything of substance, especially when explicitly asked to do so on several occasions.
Are you willing to discuss the Budapest Memorandum and how it has been repeatedly broken?
Yes and given them russian passports and uniforms
What is this gibberish?
Yes or no. Russia has violated the treaty it signed with Ukraine?
You forgot to mention Russias trade wars and blakmailing of Ukraine leading to this corruption.
And no Obama had nothing to do with it
So stop reading russian fairytales
So are you saying if there's an invasion, it will be Ukrainians invading Donbas?
But Obama! He's responsible for everything since the fall of the Soviet union. What a corrupt president to be in power for so long!
No one is denying that, people are simply saying what the Ukrainians are saying that in the last few months the USA have been exaggerating and stirring up the conflict for their own gain. The Ukraine president speculated on some reasons for this such as Nordstream.
It seems Ukraine asked for a trilateral meeting which was refused
I don't think otherwise at all, my only point is that none of us know what is going on. There's plenty we're not aware of and to think that a forum on an Irish discussion forum is savvy to every complexity that occurs in a situation like this is laughable. Nobody knows what will happen or what is happening right now, there's too much happening on the ground for you to truly know. I'm not saying your opinion is incorrect, i'm just saying it can only be an opinion until a clearer picture is provided.
No, some posters haven't outright denied it but they have refused to acknowledge it either. In fact, so much so to respond with diatribes about Obama who hasn't been president since 2016.
Your game is so transparent. Now that it's so clear what's going on you're slyly pivoting to the angle that they might invade Donbas now . Which by the way is Ukraine. And spinning it as if the Russians haven't orchestrated all this in the last few days to give them a pretext to go in.
So Ukraine are both downplaying the entire thing but also are blowing up kindergardens and bombing vehicles in donbas.
Hmmm. Right I see. Intriguing
I thought Trump and Biden was the bad guys lol
Behind what? I claimed they are behind the shelling and the car bomb, I actually can't believe your post has gotten 3 thanks, this shows the level of ignorance that exists on this thread.
Of course Ukrainian citizens are behind it, pro Russian separatists are behind it. Ukrainian citizens are behind what you said. The shelling and the car bomb.
They are Ukrainian citizens unless you recognise the self declared Donbas Republic? Otherwise you just haven't got a clue.
Well yes they are. Or are simply ignoring the question because it shows up Russian lies.
Stirring up the conflict? The US didn't put the Russian troops on Ukraine's border or the Russian propaganda that only an absolute idiot or corrupt shill could believe about the "atrocities" in eastern Ukraine.
Nah they love Trump. Yeah Biden is the target but there's been a few "but Obama's" floating around in the thread from time to time.
Would you not think... That perhaps the Russians are behind it all. And financing these 'pro russian' (Russian infiltrators) 'separatists'.
Nahhhh that's a stretch too far. They'd never do that. It's not like they're an autocratic oligarchy that relies on heavy handed tactics against surrounding populations to extract maximum profit from their resources. Never.
In my opinion (and the opinion of some military guy I listened to on Sky News), I can't see this escalating to a full scale invasion, it doesn't make sense for Russia or Putin. Economic suicide. Money makes the call at the end of the day and this would be a fruitless endevour.
I'd love to get the take on the videos loaded to social media from Donbas that are filmed two days ago asking for evacuation in response to explosions from Ukrainian side.
I mean you can't get anymore red flags than that.
Entire thing concocted
I think you mean whatever, but whatever.
Yes, twittersphere. (I don't use twitter, it's for the unthinking masses - so you'll excuse me if my lingo isn't up to date)
I reckon you might be a bit confused here.
You seem to think someone has appointed you to some sort of position of authority on this forum, and you have the right to dictate what aspects of this topic they choose to discuss. And with whom they discuss it.
You won't get anywhere taking that sort of tone with me, I'm afraid. I don't get bullied into to doing anything. I discuss what I want, when I want to. And with whom I want.
I have addressed many very important aspects of this crisis. Quite a lot of aspects that are being ignored by yourself and other poster too btw. But such is life.
I'm simply saying what the Ukrainian president has said repeatedly, by the way there were similar amounts of troops on the border last spiring and previous years before that.
This thread has seen more Russian propaganda and misinformation posted than several others threads on Ukraine over the last 8 previous years,
I've been involved in every thread but this is takes the pro putin shite to a whole new level
Ok 'old boy'
Thanks...
So they are both downplaying it all.
But at the same time promoting Putin to get people to evacuate with Putin ready to offer assistance.
So... Are Ukraine downplaying it all.. But at the same time attacking the Russian infiltrators by bombing civilians. I'm confused.
Or are you confused. Its like you're getting mixed up in the excuses.
Great way to demonstrate you arent planning to invade... massing troops on the border and in neighbouring country.
At the same time in your fake parliament talking about recognising parts of Ukraine as Russian.
Pull the other one. This lie aint gonna stick.
Ukraine aren't downplaying anything, when the USA was saying a full scale invasion was imminent Ukraine was saying the situation is no worse than it has been the last few years. There has been war in Donbas for several years.
They are downplaying the exaggerated claims of American intelligence that was fed to the media, they are not downplaying the actual situation that exists in Ukraine.
Russian sockpuppets. I've been following them for 3 years now but i'm glad you're willing to crack this mother wide open.
I'm not sure because at least one of them is all over every Sinn Fein thread too.
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