You didn't address the points. That you are prepared to shamelessly cheerlead for a regime which uses blatant anti-Semitism to whip up hatred against its neighbour is telling.
This is what has been said on here ,by turning putin playbook against it's left him floundering ,his build up ,the dates he planned for attacks ,the false flags ,and now shelling ukraine from inside the separatists areas.
Whats he got left ,
A- invade and face massive consequences militarily and economically
B- publicly back down and admit defeat and the total loss of Ukraine..
retire and enjoy the billions he stole
C) Do neither, instead keep the bulk of these forces around Ukraine applying constant pressure. Interfere with airlines, shipping, trade, etc. Keep up cyber-attacks, etc. Put Ukraine in an increased and seemingly unending vice. Never sure when a full invasion could take place. Costs to keep the military there as opposed to elsewhere are minimal. Win-win situation for Putin.
How does bemoaning the fall of a geopolitical union equate to antisemitism?
You're clutching at straws here.
Just as an aside, you do know that the Russian Federation is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse nations on earth, right? (some people genuinely don't know this, so it's perhaps worth mentioning)
Keeping 130,000 +troops fed and warm doesn't come cheap ,they can keep them there , but at the same time in Ukraine life goes on as it has done for the last 8 + years of occupation ,the longer Russia stays and does nothing the longer Ukraine can invest in defense of the country ,the Russian people who are already saying that the aggression against there neighbors and families is wrong , questions will start to be asked
Multiple shelling incidents today from Russian-back separatists, allegedly using a tank, definitely upping the pressure
They can do this for months.
Seems like only a matter of time now, given the false flag shenanigans.
Air superiority as usual is going to be key here, is an enforced no fly zone going to be part of any sanctions?
US doubling down on their rhetoric that Russia to create "false flag event". They are now using Alex Jones tactics, it's incredible.
Anyone see this embarrassing video of Ned Price when asked for evidence of a false flag event planned by the Russians, he says "I just delivered it".
He thinks what he says is evidence. Just shows you the arrogance of the Biden administration.
Yep, I've said there is a very good chance of this. Maybe even move some nukes to the border, just to scare the crap out of the yanks as well.
Ultimately, the EU cannot afford to let this go into a cold war 2.0 for years. And Putin knows it, hence why he holds most of the cards in this. He most likely never had any intention of invading, but then he always said this anyway.
The west need to decide on their next move. They seem to be flapping about, unsure of what to do next. Sanctions don't work, and will hurt the EU just as much. Arming Ukraine, but at the same time their economy is in the toilet... trillions of $$ in gas pipes running through the country, so the Germans in particular know there will be increased political pressure to appease the Russians very soon.
Respect Russia's security demands, or live in a world of permanent security concerns for everyone in the audience. Quite clever from Mr. Putin. He's just successfully made Russia's problem into everyone else's problem too. Hopefully wise heads will prevail here. 👍️
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Invade but Only take South West Ukraine and Odessa.
Have the bulk of their best grain and agri land, a country that produces as much wheat as Canada.
It's majority Russian speaking, easier to hold.
Let the argument about sanctions start, it's not a full invasion gives Germany The Dutch Austria etc a way to minimize them and leave work arounds.
Meanwhile cut gas, grain and fertilizer etc to Europe. That will have a globally significant impact, enough pain to go around. Export the vast grain it has to buy friendship in a world where food is once again viewed as essential and not a convenience.
They will pay a heavy price but they might well view it as acceptable and that the will to hit them hard and long term is not there.
If we let Russia chip away like that it will only be a matter of time before they are back for more and with there tactic tried and tested they would be more emboldened.
Appeasement is literally the worst option we can go for here War is better than that it would be better for NATO to form a defensive line in Ukraine and outright say they will fight if Ukraine is attacked meet putin at his own game and see just have far they want to go when faced with heavy firepower. I dont see why the west should leave the gloves on when Russia clearly isnt.
We all know how this went when hitler started invading countries around him. It started with one.
Or NATO can call there bluff and obliterate any Russian military that attacks Ukraine. And if putin wants to nuke then they will too and leave the ball in his court and see whats up then, putin is a bully he wont know what to do when he is stood up to with superior firepower. He relies on fear and bluffs.
The Yanks arent one bit afraid of Russia and couldnt give a toss about there military thus them telling putin to shove his demands.
That's nonsense. He can't afford this for months. Utter nonsense. On no planet can Putin keep this volume or anything close to it sitting on the border. It all costs money. And news flash.... These soldiers have lives and families too. It won't wash for weeks let alone months
Yeah that's not gonna happen. That's immediate sanction territory the Germans may be tetoring at the start but they aren't stupid either
I think you will find the British were killing Afghans before the Russians.
The west is quite happy for this to go on for awhile. Gives the Ukrainians more time to harden their defenses, pushes Europe to divest itself from Russian energy, and serve as a drain on their economy. I imagine there will be plenty of support for the Ukrainian government, low interest loans and the like, tied to further reform and anti corruption efforts.
Last century
Separatists are calling on all veterans to return immediately ,and to prepare for discussed arrivals
I doubt the military manoeuvres are a drain on the Russian economy. The uncertainty has contributed to an increase in energy prices which will be of huge benefit to Russia.
It takes a lot longer than you think to divest from an energy source. And they did no such thing after the Crimean annexation, so what makes you think there is the political will to do so now? The former German chancellor is on the board of Gazprom ffs! lol
These guys are not as altruistic as some you guys would like to imagine. Just look at Scholz and Putin in their recent meeting, laughing and smiling at each other... not quite the picture you expect to see of a western leader meeting the terrible Mr. Putin, is it? 😂
These guys know the score, and they also know what side their bread is buttered. They don't have the luxury of playing these partisan games with silly comic book good guy Vs bad guy nonsense that some of you chaps love to wrap yourself up in.
'Uncle Igor and his friends are coming to dinner, I repeat..."
Correct. However, one would have to think about how far they are from their own home in this case. And many other cases. Countries like Russia and USA always try each other fighting proxy wars using useful idiots like ukrainians right now.
Russia is no different but then if we start talking about scale and number of these proxy wars and conflicts, they are amateurs compared to the USA and their track record of uprisings, revolutions, coups or "humanitarian missions".
Ukrainians are "useful idiots" because they want their freedom and want their state to remain in existence? Wow.
Sure shows what the Russian propagandists really think of Ukraine, doesn't it?
haha... that's a fantastic clip.
Their own media - by the looks of it a very experienced Washington journo - are practically calling them liars to their face!
This is exactly what you deserve when the world knows you have a long and sordid history of fabricating intelligence to invade countries and start illegal wars. The American public are getting pretty sick of their government inventing reasons to take them into another war.
The star spangled boy who cried wolf! 🤣
Maybe even move some nukes to the border, just to scare the crap out of the yanks as well.
"Nothing to see here, it's all a figment of the imagination of the MSM."
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"Russia will move nukes to its border to scare the crap out of the Yanks."
The mask of the warmongering Putin lovers always slips so quickly.
Hard to believe so many here willing to support Putin. Remember the Cork fishermen!
Point out the part where I say I WANT Russia to move their nukes to the border.
It's highly improbable that they would move those sorts of weapons around, but their beef with the west is all about having NATO missiles and weapon defense systems too close to their territory for comfort. So you can never completely rule out the potential that Putin might like to point a few of his own weapons at NATO to return the favor.
But none of that means I expressly WANT any of this to happen. It's simply a theory on my part - a highly improbable theory. There's a big difference between saying what COULD happen, and what you WANT to happen.
Again, proving your poor comprehension skills when deciphering other people's quotes.
You're not covering yourself in glory here Mr. Loopy.
Have you figured out how Putin's displeasure at the fall of the soviet union equals antisemitism? Still waiting to hear your logic on that one? Don't worry, I won't hold my breath. 😂
Useful Idiots
Millions per month they are there ,and Likely less money being spent in the local economies where the troops home base is ,
It all adds up ,
Ah Shao Khan, you should admit like a good few others on thread you do have a bit of sneaking regard for Mr. Putin and other autocrats & strongmen + their methods.
Tone comes through in all your posts and contrasts with what you think of Western leaders. Just own it, even though it does you no credit. I suppose that is why you fight it if it gets mentioned in a response. Maybe it is going at the man rather than the arguments but it does grate a bit.
The scary thing is people like you vote and your vote has equal weight to anyone elses! Well Hitler was voted in (just about), Trump + the Grand Qanon Party nearly won the last US presidential election so I shouldn't be surprised really. Maybe there's 15-20 % of "them" in every democracy even when things are going well let alone when things are not good.
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