Bidens speech ....
He said he wouldn't put American boots on the ground but then added this
And make no mistake, the United States will defend very inch of NATO territory with the full force of American power.
"An attack against one NATO country is an attack against all of us."
Has Biden confirmed nato membership for Ukraine .....
I like how he added that neither America or Nato has missles on Ukrainian soil and there was never plans to do so .(despite what was claimed here )
No your trying to split hairs .....
I don't need to prove you anything , I've nothing else to add.
Ive pulled you up on information that is not factual. You can refute it if you like and Im quite happy to engage.
Not going to split hairs with you as there is a good degree of what you posted I can agree with but at least have the decency to to try prove me wrong.
I know what I said and stand by it .
No point you trying to split hairs ,
At least your original but it's not required
Obviously you dont as the World Bank link above adds up to 30bn in 10 years so I have no idea where you got that from.
In your response reference a link to back up your assertion and we can go from there
I know my figures ,I didn't need google
Where did the hysteria originally come from? what caused this discussion in the first place?
Why is Putin meeting with western leaders over a military exercise in Russia?
De-escalation is good. Leaders of all these posturing countries on both sides are twats. They’re not the ones who have to go to work wondering if this is the day they will senselessly die for their country.
Spent 5 billion last year on defence which was 4% of GDP
125 million dollars of arms imports is 25% of that budget (i.e. Ukraine)
(Source: World Bank - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=UA)
You might need to break down your figures
Russia has constantly denied any intent to invade Ukraine over the past 4 months. They never floated the idea because it was completely inimical to their interests. The worst Russia has done was to base Russian troops in Russia and participate in a military exercise which appears to be ending. Everything else has been absolute hysteria explicable only by russophobia and hostility to Nordstream 2.
Anyone who pointed this out - including myself - was bitterly attacked as a Putinista, a Russian bot, a Kremlin troll and worse. I think you and others on this thread are going to have to come to grips with the reality that you live in a false media bubble.
Come on, climb out of the trenches. It's over. It is time to make peace and get on with things.
Your last 3 posts in a row have all been anti US anti west, pro Russian. Can you stop with the Russian propaganda?
I think we'd all prefer to think they're all just having a cosy old time, having finished a good old military exercise, grilling sausages over a campfire playing the accordion and balalaika and when it's all done they'll pack up and head home. But that all depends on the man who likes extremely long tables.
@Shao Kahn when you say "not one inch eastward" .
Was never said, this point has been raised multiple times, yet you keep repeating it.
Where did you find these Ukrainians that agree with your opinion...
The absolute majority of Ukrainians desided they were Ukrainian in 91 not Russian , they have made it very clear since then
But yet people on here claim otherwise
Invasion was never on the cards...but it was a useful tool for the US...
@Liberty_Bear The arms manufacturers are absolutely loving this - US sold $125m dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine last year and anothet consignment was coming over.
Considering Ukraine has spent around 100 billion on defense in the last 8 years ,
125 million is nothing and most of their weapons aren't even American shows that statement not exactly true the manufacturers are loving this .
We Ireland need to spend around 3 billion per year on defense ,we currently spend an average 800 million which over half of that figure goes on wages and pensions.
I'm sure the weapons companies would love to come here
Christ, how bloody naive do you have to be to post this nonsense! There isn't a corner of the globe that the US haven't intervened in to defend their interests...letting nations decide what's best for them has never been a priority!
All in our imaginations. The idea of war was never floated by the Russians. Just a fanciful idea on our part 🙄
Oh it's getting worse, the Boards invasion brigade are focusing on the troops still there, the troop withdrawal isn't happening...invasion any day now 🤣🤣
Name calling has a very specific connotation. Find me the name please
Some one will be along soon to tell you it's not true ,there are no Russian troops surrounding ukraine
@jolivmmx I don't attack other users. I play the ball not the man. But I will call it out when other posters resort to name-calling.
The "west" don't want anything or ukraine, they simply want to let the ukranians decide what's best for Ukraine. The nato countries were not annexed by the us.
Totally agree! Ukraine and Russia are besties! Joint entry next year into the Euro-Vision?
Cannot verify this.
I need a lie down as I just agreed with what you wrote ...
Im more concerned with what Putin intends to do with the area. If he had not taken over Crimea by proxy then nothing would make me feel skittish but between this and Lukashenko it worries me that he has people kept on their toes.
The arms manufacturers are absolutely loving this - US sold $125m dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine last year and anothet consignment was coming over.
All that we can do is watch and wait...
Ah, don't take it to heart, it's actually a good thing that there's no conflict no matter how much Joe 'There Is No Way We Were Ever Going To Unite Ukraine -- I Mean, Excuse Me, Iraq -- Afghanistan' Biden wanted it!
Do you also mean the sort of predictable future outcomes... like when you say "not one inch eastward" and then you make every effort possible to do exactly that over the past 3 decades?
Those sorts of predictable and secure future outcomes?
The problem is too many people can only see this from a western perspective. NATO was set up primarily to oppose the Soviet Union / Russia. So why would Putin and Russia be anything other than hostile and angry about their continued creep eastward against their proclamations?
I have no issue that certain people are supporters of the west. That's your express right to support whomever you please. I just simply make an effort as a westerner, with many ties to the east, to take in a broader perspective on these issues.
I never said right and wrong was irrelevant either btw. I simply said that the west has no place to lecture anyone else on what they see as right and wrong. We've shown very clearly that we lack sufficient understanding or the requisite moral compass to be lecturing anyone else on the subject matter. And we also have no right to foist our own cultural norms or standards on other regions of the world either - as it's a disastrous idea that never really works!
"Make the world England" has now morphed into "make the world western". The world doesn't want to be western. Russia doesn't want to be western, and they don't want to be surrounded on all sides by US controlled western puppet states. I don't blame them either. The US are not friendly neighbors, they don't want what's best for Ukraine any more than what the russophobes think Russia has in store for Ukraine.
Remember there is no other option on the ballot ,putin , Putin , putin ,and a bloke called crutin that looks like Vladi
The situation must be improving. Invasion has gone from imminent to very imminent, back to imminent, then very possible now possible.
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