Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Cork fishermen are nice Lads that it till you tell them the Russians are coming .

I'm sure the majority of Ukrainians feel the Same

I honestly can't believe people thought this was over because Russia claimed they withdrew forces from around Ukraine ,the forces being moved at based a few kms from the border with Ukraine .

Putin got nothing he has no agreement with nato or the eu on Ukrainian membership his government declared independent states of eastern Ukraine and putin hasn't gone away

Absolutely! This is just the foreign-wing of the US election campaign. That is credible.

Save your absurd comments for thejournal. If you play your Cards right, you can get a top comment with that one

Ah sure some people can't help themselves

The situation must be improving. Invasion has gone from imminent to very imminent, back to imminent, then very possible now possible.

Do you also mean the sort of predictable future outcomes... like when you say "not one inch eastward" and then you make every effort possible to do exactly that over the past 3 decades?

Those sorts of predictable and secure future outcomes?

The problem is too many people can only see this from a western perspective. NATO was set up primarily to oppose the Soviet Union / Russia. So why would Putin and Russia be anything other than hostile and angry about their continued creep eastward against their proclamations?

I have no issue that certain people are supporters of the west. That's your express right to support whomever you please. I just simply make an effort as a westerner, with many ties to the east, to take in a broader perspective on these issues.

I never said right and wrong was irrelevant either btw. I simply said that the west has no place to lecture anyone else on what they see as right and wrong. We've shown very clearly that we lack sufficient understanding or the requisite moral compass to be lecturing anyone else on the subject matter. And we also have no right to foist our own cultural norms or standards on other regions of the world either - as it's a disastrous idea that never really works!

"Make the world England" has now morphed into "make the world western". The world doesn't want to be western. Russia doesn't want to be western, and they don't want to be surrounded on all sides by US controlled western puppet states. I don't blame them either. The US are not friendly neighbors, they don't want what's best for Ukraine any more than what the russophobes think Russia has in store for Ukraine.

I need a lie down as I just agreed with what you wrote ...

Im more concerned with what Putin intends to do with the area. If he had not taken over Crimea by proxy then nothing would make me feel skittish but between this and Lukashenko it worries me that he has people kept on their toes.

The arms manufacturers are absolutely loving this - US sold $125m dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine last year and anothet consignment was coming over.

All that we can do is watch and wait...

Totally agree! Ukraine and Russia are besties! Joint entry next year into the Euro-Vision?

@jolivmmx I don't attack other users. I play the ball not the man. But I will call it out when other posters resort to name-calling.

Name calling has a very specific connotation. Find me the name please

All in our imaginations. The idea of war was never floated by the Russians. Just a fanciful idea on our part 🙄

@Liberty_Bear The arms manufacturers are absolutely loving this - US sold $125m dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine last year and anothet consignment was coming over.

Considering Ukraine has spent around 100 billion on defense in the last 8 years ,

125 million is nothing and most of their weapons aren't even American shows that statement not exactly true the manufacturers are loving this .

We Ireland need to spend around 3 billion per year on defense ,we currently spend an average 800 million which over half of that figure goes on wages and pensions.

I'm sure the weapons companies would love to come here

Where did you find these Ukrainians that agree with your opinion...

The absolute majority of Ukrainians desided they were Ukrainian in 91 not Russian , they have made it very clear since then

But yet people on here claim otherwise

I think we'd all prefer to think they're all just having a cosy old time, having finished a good old military exercise, grilling sausages over a campfire playing the accordion and balalaika and when it's all done they'll pack up and head home. But that all depends on the man who likes extremely long tables.

Russia has constantly denied any intent to invade Ukraine over the past 4 months. They never floated the idea because it was completely inimical to their interests. The worst Russia has done was to base Russian troops in Russia and participate in a military exercise which appears to be ending. Everything else has been absolute hysteria explicable only by russophobia and hostility to Nordstream 2.

Anyone who pointed this out - including myself - was bitterly attacked as a Putinista, a Russian bot, a Kremlin troll and worse. I think you and others on this thread are going to have to come to grips with the reality that you live in a false media bubble.

Come on, climb out of the trenches. It's over. It is time to make peace and get on with things.