So are you saying that the German chancellor has no say on how Germany is represented in NATO?
Every country has a veto as all members need to agree.
Scholtz 100% has a say on how Germany decides, the same way Merkel wouldn’t agree to fast tracking Ukraine’s membership.
The lads sure do seem to be gone silent alright.
Scholz seems to be auditioning to be the adult in the room. The US, Europe and NATO as a whole are not going to fight for Ukraine. Biden has stated this. And the sight of all Western embassy staff and military advisors fleeing the country this week even whilst the Russians continue to insist they have no intent to invade Ukraine has shown the reality of it. So Germany, and Europe as a whole, lose absolutely nothing by trading something they don't care about (Ukrainian demands against Russia) for something they do care about (peace in Europe, easy access to cheap energy).
And this is not necessarily to Ukraine's disadvantage. The US "defence" of Ukraine has amounted to a hysterical war scare which has only succeeded in sparking an economic collapse of the country as investors and oligarchs flee. To the point that even the Ukrainians are begging their "allies" to calm down. Which they refuse to do because its not about Ukraine. Meanwhile the Russian interests are merely that Ukraine does not join NATO or otherwise align against Russia's security, and respects the Russian ethnic minority. So they too can trade nothing (NATO membership) for something (grounds for economic prosperity and actual physical security). I understand that Russia doesn't even necessarily object to Ukrainian membership of the EU.
The smart course for everyone - Ukraine, Russia, US, NATO, EU - is clear. We must all hope that the news cycle of the past 4 months (West warns Russia not to invade Ukraine, Russia says it does not plan to invade Ukraine, repeat to tedium) ends and Germany starts to knock some heads together to find the right solution.
All that said, I do not think that the backers of the current "Ukrainian crisis" are at all concerned with Ukraine or it's interests. The target is and always has been Nordstream 2. Same as it was with the supposed Navalny assassination in 2020. For whatever reason there is a faction in the US which has identified Nordstream 2 as a critical threat to their interests and they are willing to do whatever it takes to prevent it coming online. Don't be surprised if the US decides to launch an Iranian style sanction regime against Germany if the "Ukrainian Invasion" scare joins the "Navalny Assassination" attempt in the dustbin of history.
So the invasion of 2022 that never was and was never going to be..where are the lads here who knew it all based on their 'travels' in the East, they knew best, they had their finger on the pulse, insights from US 'intelligence' the willing victims of propaganda.....Those of us who disputed the propaganda from day 1 were 'Russian bots', 'Putin supporters', 'fascist sympathisers', 'whataboutery merchants', 'know nothings' etc., etc when all along we were right!
I almost feel sorry for @Yurt! and @Gatlinboy @shillyshilly and the rest...almost! 🙂
And how will certain posters justify the cyberattacks?
Vs posters who repeatedly post bs they made up and then run away
Don't worry, there will be a small army (excuse the pun) of posters along any minute now to request verifiable evidence of these wild assertions.
Because they're all about the evidence and facts around these parts.
You just wait and see. Any minute now.... 😂
Something is up...
Apparently Biden will hold a press briefing in a few minutes.
You started this discussion on a smart alec jibe about 'nuance', then it was 'you done'..my responses were in that context...my posts are not agressive, but if you followed the thread you'd note I have been subjected to a huge amount of spinning and false allegations so there's a context to my posting style.
I don't have a clue about exactly how many troops are on the border, I just assume the numbers to be true but I think it's stupid to say there is no logical reason for fake intelligence, the president of Ukraine himself has expressed plenty of reasons he believes the USA have been trying to escalate the situation by spreading fear and panic.
Turns out the Russian troops who are supposedly returning to their home bases are actually based closest to Ukraine.
I speculated a little of this on https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118635963/#Comment_118635963
I did not speculate if they want to be at war with Russia.
I dunno if this is over yet the cyber attacks against Ukrainian governments and banks plus the well predicted false flag terrorist reports in donbas coming from russian media sounds very much like a precursor to something.
This poster likes to regularly post propaganda and criticise other users (see yesterday’s posts).
Case closed! Some random guy on the internet has seen the satellite images. QED.
Who do you think that this intelligence benefits? Do you think that the NATO communities want to be in a state of war with Russia? To what end? Our economies are heavily dependent on globalisation. If that falters, so too does our economy. Economic hardship is not good for any Western government. There are some major elections pending.
So, do you think that they are just coming up with wild intelligence for the laugh?
I'm not the one claiming there are 130k troops there.
I've seen some satellite images of some tanks and armored personnel carriers, helicopters, about 10 jets. I've seen not single image that shows the massive tent cities necessary to house 130k troops.
There was a similar amount of Russian troops on the border last year in Spring, it seems clear to me the Ukrainians have been right all along on this matter. This whole scare of an invasion came from the CIA with little to no evidence, they were merely telling the media what they wanted people to hear for their own benefit.
The Ukrainian president last month asked the West to stop creating panic over the situation, he said in an interview last month "The interpretation in the West and specifically the media campaign, the scare about an imminent Russian invasion, should be viewed carefully."
"This narrative is fed by nameless, anonymous officials to the media, while it’s far from clear that this is an accurate description of Russian plans."
It seems clear to me the CIA seen the massive build up of troops in spring last year and knowing this would likely happen again soon they decided it would be a great opportunity to create fear and hostility towards Russia while also escalating tensions in Ukraine to further their objectives, whatever they may be.
So you can’t then. Figured as much. Puts you into the same category as Shao Khan.
Yeah I think I am. I'm happy to have a discussion, and I was enlightened with seeing that document from 2020 but your aggressive posting and pontification is hard to be enamoured by. It certainly doesn't encourage healthy discussion, that's for sure.
This conversation has become tiring. I just cannot be bothered with the fallacies promoted by the bots.
For all those bitching about NATO’s intervention and how they are the war-mongers , a little bit of perpetual peace by Kant is required.
He states that if a state is divided in two parts, through its own internal affairs, and each state considers themselves a separate state and claims authority over the whole (ie Russia and Ukraine and Russia claiming authority over Ukraine), we should not consider another external state (NATO) support towards one state over the other (ie Ukraine) as interference in another state’s constitution. Because the alternative is anarchy.
But sure, what did Kant know?
It's beginning to look like what the Ukrainians have been saying all along is far more in line with the truth than what the Americans and Brits have been telling us.
The Ukrainian president said in an interview last month "The interpretation in the West and specifically the media campaign, the scare about an imminent Russian invasion, should be viewed carefully."
How does saying what you think might happen, equal saying what you WANT to happen? You should try engaging your brain every now and then. It can aid with these simple comprehension issues. lol
NATO and the west have proven that they do not promote peace in their foreign interventions.
The west has also proven on numerous occasions, that they do not understand the difference between right and wrong. So they have no business telling people in any other regions what is right or wrong or how to run their own affairs. Not to mention they're completely useless at "fixing" any of these types of conflicts. And they very often make them far worse when they try.
I mean, even look at our own little western nation. There are countless examples of where we don't know right from wrong... our judges don't understand right from wrong. We can't even provide affordable housing to hard working citizens, but yet we give free housing to people who have no intention of ever working etc etc etc... I could go on and on... These are glaring examples of how we don't know what's right or wrong... we're clueless.
Yet we are arrogant enough in the west, to think we can preach to everyone else about how much we understand right from wrong... and how we're so very certain of how they should be conducting themselves.
I'm not surprised nations such as Russia just laugh at the west, and disregard most of what we preach to them. They're damn f**king right to ignore us and run their own affairs. They don't seem to give 2 sh!ts about western opinions or judgments. Good for them I say! 👍️
It doesn't matter if Russia has 10k troops involved in an exercise when the US claims they have 130k troops?
Yes it does matter because one is a potential threat to Ukraine and the other isn't.
It doesn't matter ....
WTAF like.
The Russians said they are there ,your saying otherwise again WTAF
Nope, wrong again.
The Russians have said they have troops engaged in exercises near Ukraine, they didn't say how many troops.
The US and her lackey's have pulled the number from their derrière.
The Russians have said they have troops on Ukraines borders and you are arguing otherwise .....
So what now
Nah, but clearly you are!
What is so laughable? Laughable because they didn't invade Ukraine or what?
Nope, the Russians didn't say they had 130k troops at Ukraine's border.
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