RTE Investigates have some great programmes. Tonights looks great!
Well she'll have to prove that she engaged the lenders with a view to buying the distressed loans. If she can't do that then she is in breach. Start have already said to numerous borrowers that they have no record of her making any approach regarding their mortgages.
Let there be no ambiguity here. If AGS and the DPP want to make a case and bring it to court it wouldn't be overly problematic. It's a big if though.
In terms of her taking a fall a lot depends on the contracts those people signed. Aside from the fact that Caitriona can jump the country/eu.
RTE didn't show much of the contract. The verbal discussions she had with them are irrelevant. In black and white what product or service did she undertake to provide in exchange for the money. Then if that service wasn't provided you have a breach of contract. To get to a criminal level you would need to show additionally that Carey knew in advance that she couldn't and wouldn't be providing that service and knowingly deceived her marks on that point. That she hasn't been criminally charged up to this point is worrying. Particularly if she and her accomplices routed that money to the usual havens abroad and will themselves go on the lam. Even if she ever is charged I would think there is zero chance of the victims getting their money back.
Well done pencilsharpeneronwheels on that info ....Carey will be the fall boy/girl it seems
Not my work at all, Pencilsharpeneronwheels posted it earlier in the thread, it seemed to go unnoticed so i posted it again.
Both she and Catriona were also listed as employees of Watershed mentioned above
The team includes a lawyer, an accountant and experienced business people who have hands-on commercial experience. We can help put a business back on track and provide ongoing support. We can talk to the bank to help secure a deal to keep people in their homes or their business premises.
Very interesting indeed! They'll be hot under the collar today.
I hope some journalists are taking the info from here and Twitter with the intention of breaking them all.
That post you put up is as good if not better as the investigative programme last night...and nailed down where this scam got legs
She's not registered with the law library and doesn't seem to mention being a solicitor. Barristers aren't generally interested in training non professionals to represent themselves, that's the last thing they want.
I looked at her facebook page, the banner of which refers to charalegal.ie which does not exist nor can I see any history for it. The domain is currently available.
So when I did a search on it, it led me back to boards in the Freeman Megamerge thread. According to that thread, Ciara was a director of two other companies per CRO...
One of those companies (Watershed International Securities Limited) previously had Charles William Allen of Leighlinbridge, County Carlow as a director. The same Charles William Allen that is a director of Prior Park Assets CLG which has an interesting history.
Of course this Charlie Allen from Carlow may well be a different Charlie Allen from just across the border in a place called Prior Park in Kilkenny who we all know well in this thread.
Hmmmmm, Barrister at law Degree 🧐🧐
The last paragraph is indeed very interesting. Think we know who the barrister was that recommended Catriona.
It's the last paragraph of this article which is most telling for me. Wonder if she still has the same phone number.
Unfortunately it was a scam from start to finish, it wasn't even a ponzi scheme, the BidX listing actually caught her out I believe, at least with one of the victim's.
I'd say myself (with no basis apart from a hunch) that the voice recording thing was a cover story, that Paul Murphy was tipped off or found out through some means that he couldn't disclose and came up with this vague recording analysis claptrap.
Not defending her but is it possible that she had a strategy and it backfired? Advise the clients to ignore the banks. Property gets put on BidX or wherever, she buys it and then provides a mortgage to the original owner?
This is it. It doesn't mean that they were not victims.
At the end of the day though lenders weren't and aren't repossessing from people who engage and make a reasonable attempt to service their debts based on their financial income. The courts just don't entertain banks trying to evict homeowners who are engaging and repaying something.
I do hope that Carey and her accomplices are dealt with properly and they don't get away with it.
Some of the victims not making payments because they thought the mortgage was being transferred is a bit like me switching my mortgage and not making payments during the 3 or 6 months process. It's mind boggling.
Indeed , it covers a multitude of emotions, thoughts etc , but I think this one, very apt in covering this debacle 👀👀 or 🧐🧐
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You love that emoji!! 🤣
I'm not doubting that at all, particularly the 2 €60k cases , interesting they kept their identity hidden , if I recall .
There's also a possibility Catriona might have messed with some , shall we say, colourful characters, so to speak 😏
I saw it on the English one 😏
I strongly suspect that one of the cases last night was trying to get one over on the banks. Several holes in the story they gave.
Yes some genuinely very sad stories and some definitely, very questionable 😕
I feel sorry for the woman in Cork and to an extent the fella in Dublin but I think the rest were chancers trying to avoid their responsibilities.
It was probably her (Carey). 😀
But sounds like she is involved in it all, no?
And I wouldn't even give her a kick in a stampede 😋
The Ciara one was an employee of one of the other companies I mentioned. I googled her and she’s a lawyer “who will train people to represent themselves” She untagged herself from that Facebook comment and folks now thinking was she involved in it all.
I could be wrong but I suspect most caught up in this debacle weren't actually trying to get one over on the banks (Although I have my suspicions about one or two ), this Vile fraudster essentially told them, she'd buy their homes from the banks (laughable, admittedly) and sell it back to them at a discount or reduced interest, payments etc. Some were desperate. Of course the bit they obviously didn't cop on to, apart from the absurdity of it all, how did they intend to finance a buy back if they were already in serious financial pressure 🤔
Miss Patrick Maher is a name listed on UK companies house too. I just can’t remember which company. Coukd be the Iris one
Of course they did they thought they were getting one over on the banks and they didn't give a sh1t about how she was going to do it. They wanted to avoid the responsibility for their own actions no one forced them to take out those loans.
Catriona Carey should absolutely be prosecuted and jailed for what she has done it's theft and fraud plain and simple but these were not innocent victims far from it they should have used their massive deposits to pay off their existing debts.
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