The only drawback of card readers is the sometimes stupid preauthorization amounts up to 80 per charging session happen. Can tie swathes of your balance before the final charge happens some days later. The monthly invoices don't have that issue.
The days of free charging in Birdhill are over. No more pleasant conversations with other like minded swift and thrifty EV owners.
0.40c/kwH with app and a card required. Hopefully not a sign of inflated prices to come elsewhere. My belly at least will be happier with less Whopper meals.
You deciding not to use it anymore is exactly why they have brought in payment.
I don’t believe that’s an inflated price. It’s the true reflection in what It costs to pay for the electricity, billing system , charger and it’s maintenance, increased MIC, project staff , digging up forecourt and running cables etc
EDIT: I get the dig now, cheers. Just thought I'd let people know before they drive to Birdhill expecting the normal free, no sign up chargers.
Agreed, it's more than ESB is all I meant. I suspect prices will rise across the charging network.
Not a dig, just a statement of fact. If you're charging there because it's free as a local, thats not the intended use case and the fact that you will not charge there anymore now that you have to pay shows exactly why they have brought in payment. Electricity is not free, neither is a HV connection with high peak MIC. Neither is the hardware.
I reckon 40c/kWh is pretty good tbh.
The problem is as the price increases, less & less people will use it. Almost all those input costs remain unchanged, regardless of utilisation. 40c/kWh is pretty reasonable though & availability shouldn't be an issue, now that all the freeloading locals have scarpered 😛.
That’s not a problem 😂😂 there are more and more EVs on the road each day. People are willing to pay. Most will charge at home so a once off premium top up every now and then is acceptable
As I said, 40c per kWh is pretty good for fast charging. Especially at a site with more than one DC charger.
More people may skip this site and go to esb chargers. From a user point of view, they are likely to not be in use and likely one of two available. A lot of EV drivers probably don't know these exist so will drive by to esb chargers too. Ionity is a far worse option, 79c typically but again often available chargers. As an EV owner I do shop around on price of public chargers, but this price is not too bad, probably less than typical UK prices.
I don't think people will skip this site. There are more and more EV's hitting the road every week now. The station at Birdhill is convenient on the Dublin/Limerick/Kerry route so I think that will be a popular stop for charging.
I know from using the superchargers there that it's a busy station at the best of times.
People will skip it out of ignorance, many non tesla drivers think that eCars is the only app needed to find chargers. We need Applegreen to roll out a nationwide network so the expectation becomes that there will always be a couple of these chargers at their service stations. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.
no chance of them calling out ecars fudging of the number of chargers.. oh wait...
But of course is carbon neutral. The same amount of carbon added is then exausted. 😉
Could be worse, some of the European providers have increased rates recently.
I'm surprised eCars haven't hinted at price increases, surely it's only a matter of time before someone complains to Joe Duffy about all the electric cars they're seeing on the road pushing up the price of electricity if they haven't already.
Enel Italia Juice PAYG now shows prices of (there is a subscription based model as well with lower prices)
AC €0.70/kWh
DC up to 100 kW €0.75/kWh
DC up to 150kW €0.80/kWh
HPC above 150kW €0.85/kWh
EWE Go just announced their prices are increasing from 1/4
New to this thread - are these applegreen chargers up and running? when i check plugshare (my go to app) only Tesla chargers are showing up?
Chris from EasyGo has frequently mentioned how ecars and their own public charging is cheap "for now". Might be reading too much into things, but I get the impression he's heard at least something around the price of public charging going up.
I expect it will have to, the current fixed price model is going to severely restrict margins as commercial rates go up.
Up and running, listed here
you need to zoom in a lot to see separate chargers on same site. It's a bit of a limitation on the plugshare app, 2 different brand chargers at same site, one hides the other one. It's hard to combine both into one entry as check ins and comments on Tesla then get confused with applegreen. Also navigation to exact spot will be wrong for one. Similar happens in athlone at ionity site. Another issue is ionity, applegreen, Tesla and it seems now easygo take over the plugshare entries so they are hard to edit and combine different brands into one plugshare pin on the map. I like plugshare the best ad it's easiest to use, and add new sites, but it's not perfect by any stretch and a closed eco system, mainly USA based.
So an ecars competitor suggesting that ecars will be increasing their prices? Sounds like dirty competitor talk to me. Not saying he's wrong but if ecars increase prices so will easygo
31 or 27c for ecars, 40c certainly doesn't represent value in that comparison
Of course they will!
strongly disagree. happy to pay 40c per kwh for no queue, no single point of failure, no stress on a long journey.
obviously we can all make our own decisions and please ourselves. if someone wants to save €3 by sitting in a queue for 40+mins then good luck to them.
Ecars is not 27c for DC charging. It's 31 or 37 cent for HCP. So apples to applegreen, it's 31c vs 40c per kWh. A typical stop would be about 20 minutes to half an hour on a 50kW unit, so say 25kWh at best. At €2.25 in the difference, i'll go for the one with the higher chance of being available*.
*catch22 situation, if you add more units it's more appealing to drivers, meaning more will use that as their charge point and thus increasing the potential for a queue.
Ionity vs Ecars I can understand. 37c vs 73c. It's double the cost. I'd certainly chance my arm at ESB over Ionity, and maybe even queue for a 5 or so minutes if the occupier was almost finished.
Non single point of failure is worth the additional few cents
It's 27c with a subscription or 31c (30.5c rounded up) without for the standard 50kW far chargers, those HPC units you speak of give you 125kW charging so not comparable
As for your catch 22 I presume you're referring to charging speed when you say units? The other side of that is if you add faster chargers then drivers won't be spending as long at them
Each to their own
No. The catch 22 is that adding chargers (units) will increase capacity, but in doing so it's more attractive to drivers, so that capacity is consumed.
The hpc are 150, 200 and 350kW units. 125kW you speak of is a limit from the cars POV, not the unit. Irrelevant given the thread in question.
Ecars subscription is pointless for 99% of people. If you're public charging that much you probably shouldn't of bought an ev. It's 31c vs 40c. Pittance
A third more isn't exactly pittance though is it?
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