Guess just what happened ,they voted to recognize the independent states of donesk and luhansk , it's not been sent to Putin to sign ..
I’d forgotten about him
It's that the same account as the mafia one ?
America didn't do anything bar move 3000 troops into Poland,
Definitely preparing for a war !!!
You lost me at Pope Benedict
Christ. Such drivel.
From my analysis of world matters, I got the following points.
European agencies funded the revolution that overthrew the previous UIkrainian president Victor Yanukovich from power who was pro Russian.
Aim of European countries was to add Ukraine to EU to boot its economy.
In response to this, Russia annexed Crimea and caused destability in the region.
It could be Eurpean powers behind the collapse of USSR. In the same way Russia is trying to destabilise EU and cause a collapse. Now UK has gone and there is a chance of collapse of big German car companies such as Mercedes and VW. This will lead to problems in German economy which eventually can break EU.
Resign of Pope Bendict 16. It was Papacy behind the glory of Europe over the last millenium. Pope's intention was to grab China and India and make Europe again a global super power. Also he inteneded to merge remaining big churches- Russian Orthodox and British Anglican to Catholic church and make catholic church the global church. This was collapsed after Indian cardinals questioned the Petrine primacy of Rome. Pope had to resign.
"Assault on democracy" - That's the same sort of rhetoric we heard to justify the war on terror. The American war machine needs its appetite satisfied.
Will we skip over the "putting 60% of your armed forces on their border" bit of the crisis?
I don't know whether Putin ever intends to invade Ukraine, but what is clear is that he is trying to get what he wants by pretending that he is intending to.
Putin has absolutely no intention of invading Ukraine. Placing 60% of your entire ground forces on their border is just brinkmanship. The russians could invade them with 5% of their army.
The UK and US have driven this "crisis".
Has there been any evidence produced to show thousands of russians tanks being loaded onto train's
Wat?
I think it’s the opposite, France and Germany called for dialogue and the war hawks UK and the US were on their own.
A conflict in Ukraine would have led to the end of the EU, if Germany went down economically we were all going down with them.
Thankfully France and Germany broke ranks with NATO and put the interests of the EU first.
this is just an argument against your own argument 🤣
And? Its been domestic rhetoric in this country for almost 100 years that we aim to unify with the 6 counties, that doesnt mean there is intent to invade or put boots on the ground. It doesnt even mean there is intent for a referendum, as nobody in charge has tried to push for one yet.
Rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. As you said R1 TV is like RT on steroids, if thats the case why would you believe anything on it as being representative of Russian geopolitical intentions?
Ukraine is the little brother next door.
(Stick with me here for moment, I'm taking a trip down the whimsical rabbit hole!😋)
They've been getting a bit cocky and reckless lately, making friends with the wrong people and bringing some less than impressive girlfriends home. You know the deal. 😂
Big brother Russia has decided it's time to step in and get them back in line. Straighten their wayward life out a bit, before they disgrace the family name. 😉
Big shot swanky yanky doodle, thought he could just waltz into a neighborhood he knew nothing about (do they ever know much about the culture or politics of these places?) and rule the roost. Big miscalculation on their part. The only people who can run eastern europe, are eastern europeans. (Russia being the biggest swinging d!ck on the block)
The worrying thing if you're the yanks, there are very significant signs that the EU is starting to lose patience with their blundering and lack of ability to sort anything out with any degree of efficiency. The likes of Germany and France are not going to remain closely aligned to an increasingly erratic superpower, drunk on their own sense of self-importance and self-image.
Does that mean they will become best friends with Russia? No, not too likely. But they might just decide that they can live without clumsy yank interference and economic self sabotage. And live very comfortably without.
I would not be surprised if Putin has many diverse objectives behind Ukraine. Obvious ones, and some not so readily obvious.
Hopefully, but the underlying arguments still remain on both sides.
Russia claiming they have absolutely Destroyed and humiliated the wests propaganda ,
But if putins pulling his troops back it's him that's being humiliated.
It's not over yet
I dont think Russia expected the EU, US, UK, Canadian and Turkish response to be so unified against Russian action. I think it was this combined pressure that may have prevented a war.
incorrect, it has been domestic rhetoric in Russia for a good while now, that Russia needs to end the Ukrainian war with "themselves" by putting boots on the ground in Donbass etc... to stop civilians being killed in their 1000's.... give Russia 1 TV a go, it's like RT on steroids.
Oh I think there's quite a few people involved who would like some form of conflict.
Invasion is one thing,occupation is another
Thirteen years on, 20% of Georgia remains occupied. Russia has not implemented crucial elements of the 2008 six-point ceasefire agreement, including withdrawing its forces to pre-conflict positions. Instead, Moscow has increased its political, economic and social influence in the occupied territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Occupation of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine
Russia’s military presence in the occupied part of Donbas continues until today. Regular Illegal crossings of the Ukrainian-Russian border section uncontrolled by the Government of Ukraine by train and truck convoys with military equipment to strengthen and rotate the armed formations of the Russian Federation have turned into routine constant practice. Numerous OSCE reports provide verified information on regular violations of Ukraine’s state border.
Illegal occupation and annexation of the Crimean peninsula
They were never going to invade, the whole thing is a media frenzy cooked up by the US largely. Other nations engaged with Russia, but only the US declared that war was imminent (but wouldnt provide Ukrainians with evidence of same!)
The US claim that Russia is about to invade and give them some "stern warnings", then when Russia do not invade, the US claim that it was because of them and not because Russia was never going to. A cynical move to detract from record low popularity of the sitting US president.
"And the president's made it very clear: There's a big price to pay for Russia to go there. So if Russia doesn't invade, it's not that he never intended to, it's just that the sanctions worked," Pelosi said.
Worth mentioning that there are still plenty of videos of armoured vehicles being moved towards the border today alone.
Who is Paul Niland. The Curious case.
He is more then just a Joe Soap Irish man on the street. He seems to be the go to man for a story in Ukraine for Irish & English media.
He is the founder of this "Charity', providing medical kids to an army. Is that legal as an Irishman in another country.
"75% of the amount goes to Patriot Defence, a charity which started out providing NATO-standard medical kits to the frontline"
https://euromaidanpress.com/2018/05/22/crowdfunding-platform-helps-ukrainian-veterans-and-adds-a-cool-signature-to-your-email/
Given the domestic rhetoric of Russian media of "Ukranian's killing Ukranian's" in eastern Ukraine, with mentions of people in east Ukraine just wanting to enjoy a safe life speaking Russian, they have been conditioned to think that Ukraine is killing and torturing people Donbass etc...
Want proof, watch Russia 1 for a couple of hours. Only issue is that they haven't an English outlet that directly correlates the Russian site, so as people are lazy and it's not in English, it's a bit carte blanche for them to say what they want on there, but anything that simmers out into translated western media, it's clouded in "oh, that was just a phrase mis-translated" ... "you don't get the context, it's something Russian people would get" etc.... and if they know they have been caught out, you get the "well America did X" approach....
Obfuscation, gaslighting, whataboutism ... all rolled into one.
looking at our prime examples of this here in thread, any thoughts guys? @BurgerFace @MFPM @BluePlanet
Is Russia 1 not broadcasting these things? Maybe they have been infiltrated by the west and are trying to spread a false flag?
Great if true and not simply a recycle of troops
No one wants war.
Okay, we get that you believe the US and Israel deserve almost all culpability.
Can you let us know your critical thoughts on Russia?
You know, for balance, and that kind of thing.
You did say Western sources are biased, and I'd hate to accuse you of the same thing.
So it seems there are some Russian troop withrdrawals from the Russian side of the border with Ukraine border. What will the Boards armchair generals and military strategists make of this?
Armoured units returning to trains to be loaded for return to base.
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