I tend to agree.
Your position on this is disingenuous. Or else you clearly don't get it.
I'm no US fanboy. All invaders of foreign lands should be dealt with summarily. If we are still a neutral or non-aligned people, we should find the menacing nature of military exercises and build-up (and the constituent nature of those resources) anathema to all we believe in as peace-lovers. We should recognise the destabilising effect that such lingering threatening menace has on industry, investment, family plans, marriages, interconnectedness with other countries etc.
It's not rocket science. Ask any publican of the effects of rapid fluid changes ré Covid restrictions and what-if scenarios. Then multiply that by 1000 for the poor Ukrainians and ask who is to blame for that social and economic rot that is now upon them? Russia. It's very simple. Don't blame Ukraine for wanting to join NATO as that's what an abusive person does. Look what you made me do???
It is clear that USA, being the power broker for many decades, has committed many compromises and outright crimes. In addition to often being the bulwark against worst beasts. But here in Europe, we've had 70+ years of stable manageable tension. Even the Balkans became manageable with US/EU solidarity. But that also is becoming a powderkeg due to Russia playing games again, stoking old embers.
It is self-evident that NATO's origin was a bulwark against USSR. It is self evident that a number of former satellites of USSR have decided that status will never revisit them again. It is self-evident that Russia, like any other warmonger with an economic agenda to maintain, does not appreciate lose of spheres of influence.
It is extremely self-evident that a country surrounded on 3 sides by the sort of resources that are used to take territory would be caught in stasis and both losing billions in lost economic opportunity and wasting billions in reaction. It is self-evident that, provided Russia can secure assurances from its Eastern flank that all is well in the world, that it can then bring forward any amount of resources required to hold a territory the size of Ukraine or at least Russia-swayed Ukraine. Without having to worry about being exposed on other flanks. Such is the nature of war and geopolitics.
I suggest a Gofundme page and we raise enough money for a free all expenses paid trip to Eastern Ukraine for a lucky winner from the select few bourgeois intellectuals here. We can set a timeline. If there is no invasion by a certain date, we can reward you with a cash bonus when you arrive home. If it's a less than optimal holiday experience, we can still arrange for the idealist hero to be flown home horizontally.
This isn't sounding like 'Wag the Dog' any more. You must be scraping a different website now.
Knickers in a twist to what end? They haven't secured any successions whatsoever from the US or EU. There is very little room to manoeuvre left for Russia to do anything else but to invade should it want to address and alleviate its security concerns - and Russia do have valid grounds for concern. Sure, they're self-interested and selfish concerns but that is the nature of statecraft after all. If addressing its concerns (which it believes are existential to the very existence of the Russian Federation) requires the complete destruction or annexation of the Ukraine State, then so be it.
Russia's security concerns will continue to mount and Ukraine will continue to strengthen its position in the years ahead. It's now or never for Putin.
I can’t see an invasion happening… it’s all postering by Putin and he knows he’s getting Europe and the US knickers in a twist
1st Guards Tank Army mobilising along the border now, Divisional assets moving into place. They were only observed in staging areas up until this morning. Invasion is a certainty now.
So what date is the invasion so I can get the popcorn?
It's imminent right? Any second now, the Intel is there sure.
Wow that really explains everything,doesnt it
You speak 4 languages too
Conspiracy theory with so many links pointing to kremlin,arrsted and dead people thats is almost like someone is trying to cover it up you mean.
Wouldn’t it be great if we weren’t at the mercy of other countries for such basics of energy and food.
Cull the herd.
If your so bent out of shape about the killing of people and human rights infringements why are you pro Russian 🤣 lmao
Slight conflict of interest there don't you think? I also find it laughable how you try in some form of mental gymnastics use America's invasions of other countries as justification for Russia invading who ever they like.
I got a right laugh out of your virtuous post about human rights infringements and all the while bashing america and being pro Russian.
Top banter.
We get it your pro Russian and your goal here is whataboutery and spreading misinformation and mudding the waters your fooling no one tho.
No one cares who america invaded nor is there any correlation between those invasions and what Russia is doing.
So yes Russia is factually undisputedly the bad guy in the current scenario and this isn't even up for debate, you can't invade a nation that hasn't attacked you or expressed any interest in attacking you and call it self defense.
We should be moving towards nuclear as the base support for the transition to a fully renewable infrastructure along with building mass battery storage as the endgame solution, that is the only way to remove reliance on foreign resources for energy.
Russia by proxy too in the majority... China by proxy in 2 or 3
'I admit. I have not seen The Intelligence. But there's never been a time when my understanding of Russia -- my 15 years of reporting on Russia and Ukraine -- has been so at odds with what the U.S. government says about Russia and Ukraine. I hope I'm right, and they're wrong'
Interesting this Via Simon Shuster on Twitter and he works for Time, hardly a pro Putin or anti Washington publication.
I must be mis remembering my own posts, fairly sure I've mentioned some of Yemen, Palestine, Chile, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran...all recent, many current all have the US intervening directly or by proxy...but nothing to see here according to you.
You do a fine line in deflection yourself! We've been down this road before you and I, and you persist with this defence of hypocrites and mass murderers in the west and take a different approach here.
I repeat, the US ably supported through finance and political cover bombings in Yemen less that 48 hours ago, while claiming to defend democracy and human rights...you might be all fine and dandy supporting that I'm not.
Lastly, do I care about Ukranians, not the far right fascists supported by Washington who are organising many of the protests the Western media are lauding but ordinary Ukranians who are caught in this inter imperial charade.
Ireland doesn't depend on supplies from Russia. We are supplied by the corrib gas line, Norway and Britain.
Is the cost/benefit to NATO worth getting into a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine? I suspect 'no', and I strongly suspect the opinions of the NATO governments is also 'no'.
It is scary isn't it how much we rely on Russia. Maybe it's giving people pause for thought regarding the Green proposed rubbish shoved down our throats preventing us from scouting and extracting our own potential gas or oil resources.
It's scary how much we rely on Russia for energy supplies. A war is something that no one wants. Yet if Russia attack Ukraine, i just don't see standing by and doing nothing, as a viable option tbh. NATO and the US will have to respond in kind. If airstrikes are launched on Ukraine, then such a thing cannot go unanswered imo.
They are taking precautions for a future conflict that might break out but as Ukraine has openly said an invasion is very very unlikely, that does not mean it's impossible.
I really do find it funny though whenever the Ukrainian president makes a clear statement the American and British media are telling us "what he really meant" by that statement and throwing their own spin on it.
Youre still going on about that. 😂🤣 Why are the Ukrainian's running live military practice drills in the streets of Ukraine in preparation of an invasion today?. Their president is not denying it may happen. He wants calm and composure though. The Russians want to sow chaos and confusion in Ukraine that is their tactics. It will be even easier for them to do their job and if they cause enough hysteria in Ukraine they may even ideally be able to replace the govt there without needing much of an invasion.
Zelensky has to keep morale high, he needs to keep control and avoid chaos for the sake of their society, economy and maintaining his govt's authority. He is doing an excellent job though and fair play to him and the Ukranians.
The apartment bombings being orchestrated by Russia is a conspiracy theory, you probably believe it easily because you want it to be true the same way many people believe conspiracy theories about the USA because they want them to be true.
I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just saying all it is at the moment is a conspiracy theory.
Chechenya
So we have a couple of other posters on here with the same Mulder profile pic as Yurt? Me thinks Maskirovka is afoot on this forum. Either that or some not so bright individuals are drinking the Kremlin Kool Aid. The misdirection and disinformation has warped their easily corruptible minds.
On topic though, whether US intelligence is correct over the invasion or not, its a clever move by the yanks. Even if its not true they've called Russias bluff. If they invade very soon and especially with a false flag incident, they've already been called out and exposed on it in advance. It may act as a deterrent, or so the US hopes. But then again do the Russians really care what people think once they've invaded? Probably not.
You forget one crucial detail,US wasnt alone,it was a coalition of many countries in Afghanistan.
Chechnya tried allready twice to become independent and ended in two wars and two invasions
Well since Putin did a false flag allready against its own people in the apartment bombings in 1999 to have an excuse to invade Chechnya
And since excersise caucasus 2008 was used as cover to invade Georgia,maybe they find it unlikely.
And offcourse Ukraines president is trying to avoid being invaded and the west would threathen Russia for doing so.
Hello Vladimir. Nice of you to join us, but shouldn't you be focused on the negotiations rather than posting on boards...?
I think it may interest you to take a look at different media outlets apart from the usual Western sources. You should read some Ukrainian coverage and how they are portraying the situation which is very different to how the Americans and British are trying to portray it.
The US and UK have been constantly accused by Ukraine of exaggerating the risk of a Russian attack, something they have categorically denied. The Ukrainian president has told them to stop creating panic over the situation, the Ukrainian government doesn’t really buy the claims of the USA that an invasion is coming soonbor that Russia is planning a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion, the Ukrainian governments very consolidated message is that a Russian invasion or the occupying of major cities are very, very unlikely.
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