Are you saying Putin is spreading democracy?
I read a book on him . So I have a better idea then you.
What about independent military analysts coming to similar conclusions. Or norways foreign intelligence too. Do you believe the troops amassed at the border are all cardboard cutouts planted there by the scheming Americans?
It is perfectly acceptable nay necessary to point to the rank hypocrisy of Western Imperialism and their faux concern for Ukraine. Remember the US couldn't give a crap about democracy or sovereignty as they regularly undermine both where they think their economic interests may be threatened.
The Saudi's bombed Sanna yesterday with the full financial and political support of the US and the UK.
Call it whataboutery all you like but I call it holding hypocrites to account..
I think most opponents of Russian imperialism in Ukraine and Georgia are also opposed the Saudi Arabia's cruelty in Yemen and the US involvement in Iraq. Constantly posting about other conflicts in a thread about a potential escalation in the war in Ukraine seems like deflection or an attempt to derail genuine discussion.
Even your own Family members? ( assuming you have military age relatives? )
Okay and do you, with superior moral fabric , care about Russias wrongdoing and the potential threat to millions of Ukranians or do you just get off on using that opportunity to have a go at America??
Look through history, there's been crimes by many a nation , even seemingly weak innocent States like Belgium and the Netherlands now. Empires across the world built on the back of genocides. Yet there continues to be modern crimes by states and it must be opposed, prevented and called out. If we are to play your deflection card then very few nations on earth with any pull and power can try prevent or hold other nations to account for their crimes because x, y, z done a,b and c. What an incredibly flawed and pretty line of logic.
They are all fair game. Don't join the army if you think its about looking cool with a gun.
People should get back to war talk then. Strategy ect. How each county can hurt the other.
I guess, perhaps, the crux of the matter is about Russia's claim of a threat to its security, by NATO influence on its borders. If someone says they feel threatened, do you believe them? Do you give them the benefit of the doubt?
Through Western eyes, it would seem like a false claim from Russia, in order to keep neighbouring countries a part of the "sphere of influence" of a self-regarded power.
But that works both ways, doesn't it. NATO are expanding to secure the same countries against a perceived threat from Russia.
And in that mix, there has to lie an agreement whereby both powers feel that there is a balance? But NATO feels certain to keep calling Russia's bluff. I'm not sure what to make of it all.
Or people could talk about how much they don't want innocent Ukrainian civilians to be hurt. It would definitely be an improvement if people talked about Ukraine and Russia in the thread though.
It's trickier for Russia now. The US say "Russia might attack on Wednesday", and if that actually happens, then it's hard to pretend Russia is not the aggressor. In Russia's own words, they're never the aggressor but are being provoked by everyone else.
I really hope it doesn't happen. It seems so desperately unnecessary.
I agree. But civilians will die on both sides, if countries are saying no compromise with Russia (rightly or wrongly) then its war. So of that happens I will say again that I have no sympathy for any soldier who die for something that could be avoided.
I think it is safe to say most civilians will be Ukrainian given that the war will be fought primarily in Ukraine.
If an invasion was to take place how do people see it unfolding military wise?
Do russias s300/s400 systems nullify Americans superior air ability and turn it into a much more traditional ground forces war?
Or will the bulk of the damage be done at much further distances.
Will maritime units have a part to play or does the location of Ukraine effect the influence these units might otherwise play?
pro Russian Posters gripe is America went into Iraq ,
We've been hearing about it for 20 years and they still can't bring anything new to the discussion ......
Even when they are picked up off the street, literally, put into uniform, and a few days later are on the front line,,, thats not exactly joining the army to look cool with a gun, is it? But according to you, no problem, kill them all? Oh, btw,,,,were you in Hospital Nr 9 when you were in Grozny?. I'm presuming that you were there, when you mentioned how glitzy it's become. ???
If you show me a soldier in the current war that was kidnapped to fight I would say he deserved a pass. 100%
He sure do,beheadings is this mans hobby
Yes books that you can refer to and find evidence is even better
America isn't going to start a shooting war with the Russia or vice versa. Neither wants nuclear war.
The war is/will be between Ukraine and Russia.
They just love whataboutism,a day without whataboutism and blaming United states and NATO, is like a day without drugs being an junkie for these people.
NATO countries aren't going to intervene militarily, so American ability doesn't even factor into the equation. Ukraine is on its own.
I would imagine we will see Russian forces deploy similar tactics used by the Azerbaijanis last year during their war with Armenia - i.e. waves of antiquated aircraft will be remotely flown into Eastern Ukraine forcing the Ukrainian anti-aircraft forces to engage and reveal their positions. They will then be bombarded with Iskander missile attacks, paving the way for the Russian Air Force to control the skies and bombard Ukranian defensive positions and State security infrastructure over the course of probably a two day period.
Much of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be routed before the first Russian troops even cross into Ukrainian territory. We'll probably see large-scale cyber attacks and assassinations of Ukrainian Government officials to try and add to the sense of chaos and bring about a quick capitulation.
Much is being made of civilian will to fight, but it's important to keep in mind that all communication networks, including the Internet, will probably be down. Co-ordinating a nationwide resistance movement will be difficult in the initial days of the conflict - and Russia is going for a rapid victory.
The best scenario would be to launch a massive salvo of missiles from the eastern parts along the contact line's. Push West to engage Ukrainian troops then from Russia down south to slice off bit by bit,.and make mini cauldrons to capture the area's quickly. Russian engagement from Russian land won't be reciprocal so the Ukrainians would be cannon fodder.
They have been repeatedly saying that the hysteria of a potential invasion, and the arming of Ukraine with weapons, and the movement of NATO military assets to neighbouring countries, is itself a provocation. The word "provocation" has come up a lot in their recent statements. Maybe it's for domestic consumption, maybe not. But some will buy it.
Anyway, if Russia thinks a future Ukraine will be with NATO, it's best for them to act now, at a relatively low cost to them. That may be the thinking.
That's it, as soon as Russia is "at war" with Ukraine it can bomb any part of it at will.
To take that threat away EU/Ukraine would need to compromise with Russia for a peace treaty. So when the window comes to unleash Russia need's it to be totally devastating to bring Ukraine to the table.
Russian International range ballistic whataboutery batteries have been softening up targets.
If this sh1t does come to pass (I don't see a big NATO/Russia war happening), but the global economic effects could be huge.
Good post.
One thing that helps Moscow and Beijing is that information control and monitoring of the population has never been stronger or more capable thanks to modern technology.
Totalitarian but with a mega frame computer monitoring who needs bullet.
As long as they can keep some growth they will last.
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