If it happens it'll be a bloody mess. If Russia are smart they'll keep it localised (not cyber attack the west) and keep Ukraine as the battlefield. By the time NATO get their **** together Russia could have more than their target taken over and agree to talks that end in them either de facto or de jure control a swathe of Ukraine.
I guess that was with seperatists backed by russia and russian equipment,now its the full force of the russian land forces and airforce.
And attacking from several fronts at once.
Rocket artillery barrages to weaken infantry,and Electronic warfare to jam everything from radio communications to drones and counter artillery radars.
Air strikes,cruise missiles to take out infrastructure
Special forces units Spetznas to cause havoc behind enemy lines and as shock troops.
Then hundreds of armoured vehicles rolling in at once in a smoke screen backed up by thousands of infantry and low flying gunships
Its going to be a massacre
Only hope Ukraine have is shoot and scoot with artillery,MBTs,ATGMs and stinger missiles and repeat.
and maybe draw the russians into urban areas or forrest/hills for ambushes
I can see javelin ambush teams coming into effect here. Small mobile teams to try create pockets.
I am aware of that and it does nothing to change my mind tbh.
If they have sufficient air defense, if not................
Putin have actually given them an excuse to stay there now,and probably more to come
The problem is that there has been body bags coming home in Russia going back to the Chechen conflicts, but information about them is tightly controlled...and its an offence now to discuss any such death statistics during " peace time". No one has seen any official death statistics from either Georgia, Ukraine, or Syria either. But if Ukraine develops into outright war, these figures would become harder to cover up.
@[Deleted User] I guess that was with seperatists backed by russia and russian equipment,now its the full force of the russian land forces and airforce
No Russian forces with Russian equipment ,
If definitely won't be a massacre but it will get bloody , Russia won't have it all their own way , ukraine has spend over 100 billion in the last few years on defense and modernisation of their military,
When Yanukovych was in charge he placed Russian military /citizens in charge of military and defense and intelligence who fleeced and downgraded the Ukrainian military over a few years , hence the Inability to stop the Russians taking Crimea ,and I get the feeling ukraines neighbors might not just stand by and let them get rolled by the Russians
Exactly,and with the worlds attention and journalists covering the conflict it will be hard to cover up anything.
And questions will be asked alot more about Putins leadership as well back home in Kremlin when the russian people have had enough.
When VP took over Russia it was not long after a humiliating truce in Chechnya. They learned a lot from that and totally changed the military from the ground up, that was urban combat at its finest, the second time they went Back it was leave or be levelled. They will apply that method in UKR. Test out some weapons in the mean time to.
It will be bloody no doubt on both sides,but i still believe the Russians have the upper hand with their airforce and missiles,and combat experienced battle hardened troops and EW.
It all depends on Ukraines tactics and willingness to fight in the long run.
And if they give Russia a bloody nose early it might be enough to halt the invasion,atleast for a while
I was thinking the same when Nato went into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and then Syria. Not one sanction for any western country.
Thats where Russias military and tactics was changed from.
And it will be same tactics used in Ukraine,no doubt.
But if you want to take Kiev,you need some urban fighting regardless,but not without civilian casualties,like in Grozny,where thousand was killed.
It will be bloody
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US Government formally warning NATO member states that their intelligence is that Russia will launch its military operation on February 16th, perhaps sooner. Two days of intense aerial bombardments followed by a large scale ground offensive. Historic week ahead.
NATO ambassdords currently convening an emergency meeting, which is noteworthy in and of itself.
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Lets say Russia should get the same sanctions as them then.
Have a look at putin losing it and threatening nuclear war
https://youtu.be/RJXwLzII278
Can't see how Ukraine makes them want a nuclear war. How do you see it unfolding.
I lived in Russia agoodpunt, and for several years at that. Made a lot of friends, good friends at that. You get to know them, they get to know you, and they're the finest. There's nothing wrong with Russian people as as whole....now the management...that's a whole different ball game., and they ( the Russian people ) all suffer under the " Management " too.
This is an intriguing account with many hot takes. Your input is incredibly interesting. Maith an buachaill
Whole raft of previously skeptical EU states now advising their citizens to evacuate Ukraine immediately.
If Putin invades the rest of Ukraine, Russia should be entirely cast out of the international community. Chuck them out of the Olympics, World Cup, Eurovision song contest in addition to the most stringent sanctions possible. Full scale cyber warfare, foment internal chaos in Russia, take out Kadyrov in Chechnya, arm Georgia.
And NATO needs to arm Ukraine to the absolute teeth.
Putin needs to be Ceaucescued.
Easier said then done. A few student/goat herders knocked out the Twin Towers and changed the world forever. Imagine what a country with Russia's reach could do if cornered.
While I would agree with you for the most part, just wait and see the US launch economy busting sanctions while euros nations faff and bluster themselves into a lather.
The oil and gas market is what keeps Russia afloat. Once thats not sanctioned then not much will change.
Post World War II the idea in Europe was that in future war would be avoided by economic interdependence. We now see the tragic unintended consequences of that idea, as business interests rail against sanctions on Russia even as they are preparing to crush a major European democracy.
What is Putin's real game here? If he invades Ukraine well that is too obvious and then there is enormous downsides for him, even if it goes well militarily what does he really gain?
Is the real game to turn off the big liberal movements in Europe because by threatening Europe he makes Europe reassess and go back to basics , it turns Europe more conservative again and makes it more palatable for Russia to open up to Europe again. Putin knows he can't keep Russia in deep freeze forever but maybe he can change Europe somewhat
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