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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Paleo-libertarian claptrap. Typical "The Fed, how horrible, lets go back to the gold standard!" junk that's been a failed proposal since it first came up in the teens or whenever the US switched away from gold. And of course reading into a WH press announcement what's not written there.


    As we learned from (all) the previous administrations, but especially the last one with the massive unnecessary taxcut, deficits don't matter. Reagan left with a big one. It's a moderately phony metric insofar as it doesn't matter - unless the debt holder calls in the debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    The fact that people on here only think it's Republicans that partake in Gerrymandering is a true show of evidence that your getting your news from only one side of the divide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    When did Psaki make the statement he has issue with?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Strawman, no one is saying only the GOP do it. They’re far more effective at it though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Then why don't ye complain when the Democrats do it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭J_1980


    No one is asking for the gold standard, it’s awful as you can’t grow in population without deflation.

    it simply depends on what you spend the money: productive or unproductive

    Reagan spend on the military, ie massively on r&d paying countless engineers and researchers (pretty much what china does nowadays).

    biden spends on welfare.

    anyway the judge is the voter, reagan was insanely popular. Biden right now is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Who isn't complaining? Gerrymandering is anti-democratic and should be gotten rid of, do you support an independent commission to setup electoral boundaries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Because every Democrat in the House and Senate voted to end partisan gerrymandering in two bills and not one Republican did so, resulting in partisan gerrymandering staying in place.

    Republicans are getting exactly what they voted for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Joe has a lower approval rating than Trump now.. Its going to be great seeing the Dixiecrats take a shellacking in 22 and 24.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    EVeryone should fill their boots and bet on Trump no? Easy money to be made, I know loads of guys who did it in 2016 and 2020. They could see that the MSM didn't report what the common man really felt about Trump and so they took the chance to clean up.

    Definitely can see it happening again, though you wouldn't know it if all you did was watch MSM, who no one is watching by the way.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You said earlier that I was spreading misinformation. Glad we’ve progressed a bit and you’ve admitted you don’t know what was being talked about. Progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,623 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭arthursway


    Then I apologise. I have not seen these posts you speak of and maybe shouldn't of jumped the gun as I did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    they cleaned up on Trump in 2020? Would this be with patriotic American bookies who paid out on the real winner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    When did Psaki say it? I'm being thorough here, just in case (it needs to be last October for my statement to be wrong).



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You probably won’t find a fact check for her statement or if you do the claim will be moved somewhat from her spreading misinformation. It was the 16th of July when she made that statement and there was only emergency approval at that point. The fact that two heads in the FDA quit because of political interference in September should be noted. (https://www.biopharminternational.com/view/former-fda-scientists-dispute-need-for-booster-vaccines)

    Someone else made the point earlier that she didn’t mean to say it like that and she corrected herself a week later but this is not a luxury the fact checkers and the righteous brigade seem to afford other people. Misinformation is distinct from disinformation in that it is unintentional.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You still are, you've repeatedly implied that the Biden administration are responsible for episodes of a podcast being removed. They're not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So she made a statement last July about the FDA approval being the gold standard and you're disputing that because it was under emergency approval from the FDA at the time? Still haven't seen that original statement, but I guess we take it that it happened. Since then of course the vaccines have been fully approved by the FDA.

    I retract my statement about the vaccines not being under emergency instead of full approval if that was what you meant and that you now accept that the vaccines are fully approved by a gold standard agency (remembering that emergency approval happened under the trump regime just in case there is a both sides argument there).

    Those scientists of the FDA have been proven incorrect since then with deaths drastically reduced since the booster rollout.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,672 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Biden poll numbers may affect November mid-terms. Odds are Dems will lose Senate and House, including the powerful Speaker position.

    Cmod Science, Health, and Environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I’d say he’ll lose the house.

    Not too sure about the senate, aren’t a few republican senators retiring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭J_1980


    Senate is tighter, yes.

    house majority odds are 1.19, senate 1.40 for republicans



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nice try protonmike but that is wildly dishonest. I thought you were one of the more reasonable ones, but alas. Astro accused me of spreading vaccine misinformation earlier.

    “Bloody hell, now you're spreading vaccine misinformation, was it accidental or on purpose?

    Why should anyone take anything you're saying seriously anymore? You've plumbed the depths here.”

    It got 10 thanks too without anyone caring to explain it, at least now Astro admits the truth, you should too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,098 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This is the interaction, Psaki has not misspoken here, the FDA is the gold standard and is explaining why they hadn't been approved for children at the time, are you implying that the vaccine approval is a mistake? As I pointed out, the two who resigned must be feeling pretty stupid now given what has happened since then, given this was July last year, I would dare say she answered perfectly given the information available at the time and was proven correct in the course of time. As I said, I'm being thorough here and giving you the benefit of the doubt, so explain what you mean clearly and we can see if you are trying to spread vaccine misinformation or not.

    Q   And then a follow-up on COVID: We’re hearing from health experts who are increasingly voicing their concern for the FDA having yet to grant full approval to COVID vaccines. Folks are using phrases like “grave mistake,” “puzzling as to why they haven’t yet.” What is your understanding as to why we have not seen full approval yet from the FDA? And do you have any, kind of, expectation for when we might?


    MS. PSAKI: Well, the FDA is the gold standard, in our view, and they move at the speed of science. They look at a range of data and they make sure that when they make conclusions and when they give full approval, they have confidence in the science and the data that backs that up. It wouldn’t be responsible to expedite that process at a faster speed than the science and data allows.

    Certainly, everyone is eager — as the mother of two children under 12 myself, I would love to have vaccines approved so I can get my kids vaccinated. We understand that completely and understand the desire to have full approval, of course, as well. 

    We’re hopeful to see that in the coming months as Sec- — as — I was going to call him “Secretary Fauci” — as Dr. Fauci has said. But again, we rely on them to determine their own timeline.


    Q   “Coming months” are — does the White House believe that we could be losing valuable time in waiting for full approval if this is what’s keeping so many folks from getting

    vaccinated at this point?


    MS. PSAKI: Well, again, I think what’s most important is that the FDA maintains itself as the gold standard in approving use of vaccines for approval. And the fact that they are always going to be driven by the speed of science, they’re going to have extensive data they look into, they’re going to have the best health and medical experts making that conclusion, that will maintain confidence over the long term. 

    Of course, we all want to see vaccines fully approved, vaccines for kids under 12. I think every — most Americans would say that. But that we’re going to — it’s important they move at their own speed and the speed at the scientists.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My point stands, you engaged in a form of misinformation by pushing a claim that the Biden administration are responsible for content being removed from Spotify. It was wildly dishonest and you had no reason to believe it to be true.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fact remains that Jen Psaki called for more censorship and then it happened. That is true. That’s all I said.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fyi, he's referring to this press conference.

    She didn't though. She said they should make greater efforts to combat misinformation etc. But that could mean anything from doing more around content advisories to making statements when such episodes come out. Neither are censorship. Three episodes being removed was literally because of pr.



  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She was specifically asked the question whether she thought Spotify applying warnings to episodes of rogan was enough. She replied with a more ‘general’ answer about misinformation not specifically referencing rogan, but that’s exactly what she was talking about. Her answer was no that they need to do more.

    That’s not just my conclusion, many media outlets also came to this conclusion. You can easily check with a ‘Psaki rogan Spotify’ google. And no, they aren’t right wing, anti vax sites. A few days later Spotify completely revamped its policy, publicly publishing the company’s internal rules for what is allowed on the platform, “testing ways to highlight” those rules to its creators and “working to add a content advisory to any podcast episode that includes a discussion about COVID-19,” Spotify CEO Daniel Ek wrote in a news release.

    This hasn’t been enough to stop the backlash against Joe though, my contention is that they want him silenced altogether. They hated him since long before the pandemic.



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  • Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Same wrong one protonmike referenced earlier. Don’t you you think it’s weird that it’s so difficult to find? The press secretary spreading misinformation should have been ripe for fact checkers to do their jobs but you and other posters continually reference this press conference that happened later.

    Goes to show how bias the fact checkers are.



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