I would like to know how much it costs to build a house.
Can you please provide me with the cost to build a three bedroom semi detached house.
Now, before anyone tries to claim that I am being pedantic or I am trying to be smart, etc. you have made a claim that a €400 thousand house is unaffordable and exploitive by the developer.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but I would like to know how much it costs to build the house.
If it costs €380 thousand to build (and I don’t know how much it costs to build a house), then saying it is exploitive by the developer is wrong.
He likes to exaggerate sf's hold on the council. On the one hand nobody wants to deal with them. On the other they had full backing of everyone to rule DCC for a little under 5 years which seemingly allowed then destroy housing. Although often repeated, its fantasist stuff not to be taken seriously.
Yes it's dominated by FF,FG
As a constituency, FG won more 1st preference votes there than SF in 2020
Over half the vote in the last 2019 coco election in the Arklow area went to FF...
Its not dominated by anyone. FG has one more seat than SF! A big increase in Independents, 3 of whom lost the SF party whip (over abortion perhaps?). So perhaps its fair to say that the FG influence was diluted a bit by additional Independents and FF winning back a large number of seats.
I think it was fair enough to explore how this would work rather than just rejecting it out of hand without knowing the implications. When the proposals came back from the private developers they rejected them as being exploitive by the developers and they were right that a 400K house is not affordable.
SF were completely wrong on that.
I'm pro building our own as are SF, SD, PBP, and seemingly FF now. No chestnuts over here.
Interesting that, unlike the Dublin councils, Wicklow wasn't dominated by Sinn Fein and the lefties.
See my post above. You need to read the strapline as well as the entire article before making such Comical Ali claims!
All that first vote was on was approval to seek tenders from developers. The strapline of the heading says it even.
Dublin city councillors approve plans for nearly 1,700 homes
Developers to be sought for O’Devaney Gardens, St Michael’s Estate and Oscar Traynor Road
It goes onto say in the article:
''Council deputy chief executive Brendan Kenny said expressions of interest from developers would be sought by the end of March with the selected developers asked to draft masterplans for each site. The masterplans, based on the council’s housing requirements, will need the approval of councillors.''
FFG might have a reason to be critical of SF if they refused to look at getting private developers into build social/affordable housing. They have looked at it and don't think it is value for money.
I see where Wicklow Co Council plan to build all their own social housing and have enough sites/land available to cover housing needs up to 2026. Fair play to them, they have recruited people to locate and purchase land to fulfill social housing requirements from 2026 onwards.
That's FF levels until they declined in 1992. They are really not that popular, especially in the ever increasing over 50s. Even if it were a reality in some drug-hazed universe you would absolutely dread the quality as their current batch barely ticks any boxes after the first 3 or 4.
This is Comical Ali stuff. Clear evidence that Sinn Fein reject every single effort to build more housing and poster claims that non-existent alternative policy is the answer.
This old chestnut again, SF could never support gifting private land to developers.
Except for the fact that SFs Daithí Doolan chaired DCC when the original land initiative proposal, which included included 30% Social Housing, 20% Affordable Rental and 50% Private Housing, was signed back in 2017 and every single SF councillor voted for the plan.
The chairman of the council’s housing committee, Sinn Féin’s Daithí Doolan, said the initiative was not just about bricks and mortar but about building communities. “We are in the midst of a housing crisis caused by years of starvation of funding for housing. What we have in front of us is a plan to deliver up to 1,700 homes for the city.”
Dublin city councillors approve plans for nearly 1,700 homes (irishtimes.com)
Under a plan called the Land Initiative, developers will be able to build on council land according to an agreed masterplan and a mix of private and social housing.
Sinn Féin Cllr Daithí Doolan chair of Dublin City Council housing committee welcomed the decision.
"It will deliver over 500 social homes and 340 homes at affordable rent. Tonight is a major breakthrough, delivering the largest building programme for decades in Dublin".
Private-public partnership houses get go-ahead (rte.ie)
Council voting history is here: On the Housing Lands Initiative, including O'Devaney | Council Tracker
Fast forward to 2020, SF are no longer the largest party in DCC and suddenly the plan they all supported a few years earlier is no longer good enough. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
Unless SF are proposing higher density, then how is the housing not fit for purpose, will people not be able to live in them?
Well done them. Why support not fit for purpose housing? When you think everyone else on the council is the asshole....maybe... As the saying goes.
Sf are failing to Don the green Jersey in the midst of a housing crisis by voting against housing projects
Fact
All in a hypocritical attempt to stymie supply
That's nonsense, the government have proposed numerous ridiculous ideas to fix the housing crisis, Sinn Fein being opposed to some of these plans in no way means they are against building houses, for example the Government's Housing For All plan is just more of the same failed Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael housing policy which caused the housing crisis in the first place, we need to look at other alternatives rather than this pathetic attempt to appear as if they are doing something to fix the housing crisis.
What are these far better plans that will fix the housing crisis?
Rubbish
They are serial objectors because houses built hurts their narrative
They speak from both sides of their mouth
O'Broin telling developers not to listen
Its all there in the graph
16 objections in the DCC area alone (FG just one)
They are objecting because there are far better plans to help fix the housing crisis than the ones being proposed, the government is going about this completely the wrong way.
They are serial objectors making up objections to frustrate house building during this governments term and hate the idea that those that see through it highlight the hypocrisy
That's a complete misrepresentation of the facts, SF were opposing the motions because they were not the correct steps that should be taken to tackle the housing crisis it was a badly planned motion and Sinn Fein rejected it on that basis.
But he didn't mislead the house
He informed the house that SF voting in county councils against proposals that would see housing supply increased by 6000 was hypocrisy
Sinn Féin can't handle that truth
So Eoin who tells developers in private to ignore what SF say in public used the liar word
In spite of the facts
Mind you all the opposition are at it,here's DCC 👇
Haha, MM can't take being called out on blatantly misleading the house!
Seems fair enough to me? He was calling the Taoiseach out on his blatant lies and got passionate about it. Far from the bullying you are trying to make it out to be.
seems that when called out on their fantasy the shinners revert to the bar room bully's that is their nature ,
lucky there were too many people around for them to stomp some one to death and run away this time 😶
Taoiseach accused of ‘downright lies’ in heated Dáil exchange (irishexaminer.com)
Where's he wrong?
Why do you see any criticism as an angry rant? They were doing well before covid. Why do you think covid becoming more manageable will change anything?
Again, unlikely doesn't equate to nearly impossible.
Opposition parties peak at mid-term. That is a phenonemon clear across the world.
You said this post should be bookmarked implying my post was extravagant and out there.
Why do you make up what I said? I never said it would be nearly impossible. I just said it is more likely that they will be at 20-25% rather than 40-45%.
I don't see why it's hard to believe blanch, if I told you ten years ago that Sinn Fein would be topping the polls by quite a margin at 35 percent you would have said the same thing, yet you regard it now as nearly impossible that Sinn Fein support could rise by another 5 percent in the next 2 or 3 years.
You seem to be in denial.
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