...wha??
Just as Putin props up Lukashenko domestically in Belarus, China would prop Putin up in Russia - they would not risk having a more western aligned person in charge, as it would leave them with uncertainty re: gas and mineral supplies, and also more exposed vs NATO. Putin isnt going anywhere until he dies from old age unfortunately.
Ukraine is not a threat to Russia any more than Taiwan is a "threat" to China. It's all just BS used to justify aggressive behaviour towards sovereign territories.
100% its pure sabre rattling he has no intention of attacking he knows he d lose.
No one has ever suggested putting nuclear weapons in to Ukraine. The comparison with the Cuban missile crisis is not valid at all.
If the west are going to go as far as nuking Russia, you can be guaranteed Russia will be getting nuked they wont be able to intercept them. This whole "existential threat" is nonsense, considering its mutually assured destruction nuclear war is "existential threat" to everyone and as such its just an excuse.
Soviet union expanded as far west as the baltic states and had missiles pointing towards every major european city and millions of troops along the european border,and nobody complained.
Today Russia also have missiles in Kaliningrad and all along the border of Europe,and still nobody complains,Only Russia against NATO doing the same.
That's a strawman.
The point is Cuba, and all the Central and S. American countries, are not free to pursue foreign policy positions (and internal policies for that matter) that are counter to USA's interests.
Nobody complained during the cold war? How old are you?
Taiwan is not a threat to China at all lol
Ukraine however has a very large land border with Russia, and hosting NATO troops & missiles along that border would be a credible threat. In terms of China analogies, Ukraine plays a similar role as North Korea (minus the mad chubby dictator) - its land that in the "wrong" hands would leave them very vulnerable. An unfortunate buffer state that gets shafted regardless because nobody really wants to help them, just use them. Similar for Belarus too.
This is just more nonsense. We know that Russian troops allegedly on the border of Ukraine has frustrated Washington's plans by their reaction to it.
But yet they have militaries with defensive capability and offensive capability nobody in America is complaining,
Unlike Russia
I've seen him on other threads on here. He likes to take an "alternative" stance on other topics cause he thinks it makes him look edgy and seem more intelligent. In reality he's wearing a full on tinfoil helmet and lapping up what Putins misinformation campaign spews up every day.
Meanwhile, the UK doing a great job keeping the Russian menace in check:
@correct horse battery staple I'm not a moderator here but what's with the name calling and emotive language?
"You are some sort of a perverted puppet" really?
"wife beater"
"gain threatening to rape"
You guys got issues.
Apparently Russia and it's ally Belarus are not entitled to conduct joint military exercises inside their borders.
Here's more of it "dangerous moment", are you scared yet?
https://www.rawstory.com/west-warns-of-dangerous-moment-as-russia-holds-drills-in-belarus/
I am old enough to remember living in a country next to the soviet union and serving in the army at the time.
And nobody complained about buffer zones and invaded neighbours because of it.
How old are you?
Old enough to have met people living on "our" side of the then iron curtain - needless to say they were not enamoured at having a militarised border with the communists, and while people got on with life, there was definitely complaints. People were not happy go lucky having the USSR and its vassals on the other side - if they were, why was there such relief then at the collapse of the USSR and the demilitarization of the east-west european borders?
Russia being realistic about it is a pretty lame bear or even a paper bear at this stage, the us and the rest of the world could care less about Russia, let alone invade it.
The bear would be euthanasized militarily fairly quick if NATO wanted it so. People are niave if they think Russia can stand up to NATO militarily And economically.
I'd wager the Kremlin might use nukes before the Russian bear is "euthanized" as you so say.
You need to ask yourself, what price are you willing to pay, to keep Ukraine from falling back into Russia's sphere?
Because I believe that Russia is willing to pay a pretty high price.
There was no complaints from any western country,we accepted it and moved on.
I lived and grew up in a country next to soviet union,and felt the constant pressure from the iron curtain.
And just because you talked with a few doesnt give you any clues,you have to be there to feel it.
I work in Russia with both Russians and Ukrainians today and i know first hand what they mean about the situation in Ukraine and Russia.
NATO is not a credible threat to Russia, it's a defensive organisation.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, if they want to join NATO, it should be up to them. The problem with that is that it hinders Moscow's ambitions for the country and the greater region. It's much harder for Putin to "dick" with Ukraine if they are a member of NATO. The Russians know this so they are making every effort possible to stop that from happening. The equivalent of the bully not wanting the bullied kid to get boxing lessons.
The Chinese really only support the NK dynasty because they don't want millions of refugees piling across if that regime collapses.
Where did they say they were not entitled to conduct such exercises?
A "Dangerous moment" is true. That has no bearing on 'legality', and vice versa.
Of course there were complaints about it - both by people on the street and at the international level.
And I was there for a time - I travelled and met people living in the Federal Republic, lovely people, but they did complain about sharing a border with a communist satellite state. They complained about militarized borders, and the fact that were the cold war to go "hot", they would be first in the firing line.
What do they tell you then, first hand about the situation in Ukraine and Russia?
I'm not siding with anyone here. I would like to point out though, if the people on the other side of that iron curtain were happy enough but the people on "your" side were not. Then the problem lies with the people on "your" side.
What NATO member were NATO defending in their involvement in Afghanistan? Or Libya?
Afghanistan - so it wouldn't become a safe haven for attacks on NATO members.
Libya was more complex, it was essentially requested by the UN, which China/Russia didn't veto, to enforce arms embargo, no-fly zone, and so on. Their involvement was more debateable.
In terms of Russia, NATO is no overt threat to Russia obviously. It is however a threat to Russian aggression. More than a few Russians ultimately believe that Ukraine is a part of their "ex-empire" and as such would like to incorporate the country, by force if necessary.
Well sure Russia is a safe haven for attacks on NATO members - cyber attacks mostly. It's not like Afghanistan borders many NATO members, so any attacks that would originate from there would be acts of terrorism a long way away. It was really NATO involving themselves in the War on Terror™.
In Libya they proudly boasted about 1000s of strikes designed to keep the people of Libya safe (didnt turn out so well) - again this kind of rhetoric isn't really that of a defensive organisation though. If they want to be defacto peacekeepers of the world, then say it, but to pretend NATO is solely a defensive pact is not really true.
Even their involvement in Former Yugoslavia, while it was a generally good thing, it wasn't exactly in their remit as a defensive organisation.
Afghanistan was a safe haven for AQ which attacked the US.
Indeed, Russia is a source of cyber attacks, as mentioned, Moscow has taken a more aggressive stance in recent years. It's unsurprising that Ukraine wants to join NATO. In irony you couldn't invent, Putin is threatening invasion in order to prevent that from happening.
Lavrov was pissed and rightly so. He walked off abruptly at the end of their press conference. Ignorance and ineptitude from Britain's govt continues to infect everything they touch.
How do you think people felt about it,in Finland and Norway where is grew up,after the winter war in 1939?
The cold war?Invasion of Czecoslovkia in 1968,Afghanistan 80s and Now Georgia in 2008,eastern Ukraine in 2013 and Crimea in 2014
Do you think People might see a pattern here?
And do you think anyone from Russia and Ukraine want to kill eacother for 300 dollars a month because some President is losing grip in his spehere of influence with his neigbours?
Yes they are great people,both Russians and Ukrainians,great hardworking people who wants nothing more than you and me,and nobody wants a war,except for Kremlin.
Even their own Generals are complaining now,and demands Putin to step down.
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