Seems fair enough to me? He was calling the Taoiseach out on his blatant lies and got passionate about it. Far from the bullying you are trying to make it out to be.
Haha, MM can't take being called out on blatantly misleading the house!
But he didn't mislead the house
He informed the house that SF voting in county councils against proposals that would see housing supply increased by 6000 was hypocrisy
Sinn Féin can't handle that truth
So Eoin who tells developers in private to ignore what SF say in public used the liar word
In spite of the facts
Mind you all the opposition are at it,here's DCC 👇
That's a complete misrepresentation of the facts, SF were opposing the motions because they were not the correct steps that should be taken to tackle the housing crisis it was a badly planned motion and Sinn Fein rejected it on that basis.
They are serial objectors making up objections to frustrate house building during this governments term and hate the idea that those that see through it highlight the hypocrisy
They are objecting because there are far better plans to help fix the housing crisis than the ones being proposed, the government is going about this completely the wrong way.
Rubbish
They are serial objectors because houses built hurts their narrative
They speak from both sides of their mouth
O'Broin telling developers not to listen
Its all there in the graph
16 objections in the DCC area alone (FG just one)
What are these far better plans that will fix the housing crisis?
That's nonsense, the government have proposed numerous ridiculous ideas to fix the housing crisis, Sinn Fein being opposed to some of these plans in no way means they are against building houses, for example the Government's Housing For All plan is just more of the same failed Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael housing policy which caused the housing crisis in the first place, we need to look at other alternatives rather than this pathetic attempt to appear as if they are doing something to fix the housing crisis.
Sf are failing to Don the green Jersey in the midst of a housing crisis by voting against housing projects
Fact
All in a hypocritical attempt to stymie supply
Well done them. Why support not fit for purpose housing? When you think everyone else on the council is the asshole....maybe... As the saying goes.
Unless SF are proposing higher density, then how is the housing not fit for purpose, will people not be able to live in them?
This old chestnut again, SF could never support gifting private land to developers.
Except for the fact that SFs Daithí Doolan chaired DCC when the original land initiative proposal, which included included 30% Social Housing, 20% Affordable Rental and 50% Private Housing, was signed back in 2017 and every single SF councillor voted for the plan.
The chairman of the council’s housing committee, Sinn Féin’s Daithí Doolan, said the initiative was not just about bricks and mortar but about building communities. “We are in the midst of a housing crisis caused by years of starvation of funding for housing. What we have in front of us is a plan to deliver up to 1,700 homes for the city.”
Dublin city councillors approve plans for nearly 1,700 homes (irishtimes.com)
Under a plan called the Land Initiative, developers will be able to build on council land according to an agreed masterplan and a mix of private and social housing.
Sinn Féin Cllr Daithí Doolan chair of Dublin City Council housing committee welcomed the decision.
"It will deliver over 500 social homes and 340 homes at affordable rent. Tonight is a major breakthrough, delivering the largest building programme for decades in Dublin".
Private-public partnership houses get go-ahead (rte.ie)
Council voting history is here: On the Housing Lands Initiative, including O'Devaney | Council Tracker
Fast forward to 2020, SF are no longer the largest party in DCC and suddenly the plan they all supported a few years earlier is no longer good enough. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
This is Comical Ali stuff. Clear evidence that Sinn Fein reject every single effort to build more housing and poster claims that non-existent alternative policy is the answer.
That's FF levels until they declined in 1992. They are really not that popular, especially in the ever increasing over 50s. Even if it were a reality in some drug-hazed universe you would absolutely dread the quality as their current batch barely ticks any boxes after the first 3 or 4.
All that first vote was on was approval to seek tenders from developers. The strapline of the heading says it even.
Dublin city councillors approve plans for nearly 1,700 homes
Developers to be sought for O’Devaney Gardens, St Michael’s Estate and Oscar Traynor Road
It goes onto say in the article:
''Council deputy chief executive Brendan Kenny said expressions of interest from developers would be sought by the end of March with the selected developers asked to draft masterplans for each site. The masterplans, based on the council’s housing requirements, will need the approval of councillors.''
FFG might have a reason to be critical of SF if they refused to look at getting private developers into build social/affordable housing. They have looked at it and don't think it is value for money.
I see where Wicklow Co Council plan to build all their own social housing and have enough sites/land available to cover housing needs up to 2026. Fair play to them, they have recruited people to locate and purchase land to fulfill social housing requirements from 2026 onwards.
See my post above. You need to read the strapline as well as the entire article before making such Comical Ali claims!
Interesting that, unlike the Dublin councils, Wicklow wasn't dominated by Sinn Fein and the lefties.
SF were completely wrong on that.
I'm pro building our own as are SF, SD, PBP, and seemingly FF now. No chestnuts over here.
I think it was fair enough to explore how this would work rather than just rejecting it out of hand without knowing the implications. When the proposals came back from the private developers they rejected them as being exploitive by the developers and they were right that a 400K house is not affordable.
Its not dominated by anyone. FG has one more seat than SF! A big increase in Independents, 3 of whom lost the SF party whip (over abortion perhaps?). So perhaps its fair to say that the FG influence was diluted a bit by additional Independents and FF winning back a large number of seats.
Yes it's dominated by FF,FG
As a constituency, FG won more 1st preference votes there than SF in 2020
Over half the vote in the last 2019 coco election in the Arklow area went to FF...
He likes to exaggerate sf's hold on the council. On the one hand nobody wants to deal with them. On the other they had full backing of everyone to rule DCC for a little under 5 years which seemingly allowed then destroy housing. Although often repeated, its fantasist stuff not to be taken seriously.
I would like to know how much it costs to build a house.
Can you please provide me with the cost to build a three bedroom semi detached house.
Now, before anyone tries to claim that I am being pedantic or I am trying to be smart, etc. you have made a claim that a €400 thousand house is unaffordable and exploitive by the developer.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but I would like to know how much it costs to build the house.
If it costs €380 thousand to build (and I don’t know how much it costs to build a house), then saying it is exploitive by the developer is wrong.
The success in Wicklow under a FF/FG dominated council is further evidence that the problem doesn't lie mainly with the government but with each local authority. Sadly, the dominance of Dublin councils by SF and the left have left the people of Dublin to suffer.
The chartered surveyors of Ireland put the cost of building a 3 bed house in dublin at 370k odd. Around 50% of that cost is land acquisition though. Detailed stats here:
https://scsi.ie/society-of-chartered-surveyors-ireland-publish-new-cost-of-housing-report/
Important to note building en masse can radically reduce costs per build.
Also giving cuckoo funds tax breaks encouraging them while we get priced out, great idea.
It could, but not if the council are going to be going out and tendering for it, they'll get fleeced. Doing it en masse just means they'll get fleeced en masse and the delays will be en masse as well.
The solution to house and rent prices is supply, SF should stop trying to interfere and let the builders and developers get on with it, the sooner they do, the sooner it becomes unattractive for funds to come in and buy them. If SF give away all the new housing it will just drive up the prices of the other housing stock making it less affordable for those who pay the most taxes.
It's an awful plan and it was great to see O'Broin shown up for it.
Why will they be fleeced? Are the REITs, Cuckoos, Goldman-sachs etc. getting fleeced?
If supply is increased and the tax payer is still subsidising people who can't afford it, prices won't come down.
Nobody is giving away housing. Its about allowing members of the public access. I'd rather less need for taxpayers to support renters and buyers.
Laws of supply and demand
Laws of diminishing returns
Increase supply enough and you'll lose the cuckoo's to more attractive returns for them elsewhere
Ultimately that's what's going to happen which is why o'Broin is telling developers to ignore what Sinn Féin say in public
Because if he can convince them that it's all just a bluff to trick voters whilst at the same time continue on with bluffing voters,then that would be just super
Theres method to their madness,I'll say that
But unfortunately they've slipped up
They laughably must have thought the builders wouldn't say anything
A bit Rooky that
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