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Catched a bit of the Retro fit press conference, it's been a while since I've heard from or seen Eamonn Ryan and my god I was glad. He's back with this utter nonsense re retro fitting, grant aid and my god he really is living in cuckoo land.
It would seem he actually believes its all about keeping up with the Jones that will encourage people to upgrade their homes 😳, where has he been for the past few months, were does he propose people get the outlay required. Watching Michael Martin, looking utterly bored by it all I got a sense FFG secretly hoping take up will be low, knowing full well few will be able to afford this, no matter how much grant aid is. Notwithstanding the fact there's barely enough constructions workers available.
Meanwhile and apart from the cost of leaving crisis, I suspect most home owners are only concerned about two things, The likely ECB interest rate increase and actually being able to pay their mortgage, FFS 😳
Martin made a tit of himself again in a press conference this afternoon in regards to Flemings comments yesterday.
Fair play to Ciara Phelan.
Spend 400 euro to save 100, your great grandchildren may see a payback,
I bet you can't wait to subsidise all those new builds wha?
And we were all told we'd nobody to build them.
TBF, to get through tough times they have to stop getting worse first.
FF actually caused the last 'tough times' in 2007. The housing situation never recovered. FF and FG have sown the seeds of the next 'tough times'. Not another red cent comes to mind 😂 Overrun builders only causes more inflation. The electorate and especially those renting or looking for new homes will certainly decide how we get through this.
The number of life changing diseases that have gone undiagnosed during Covid due to the chaos wreaked on the health service by the pandemic will be alarming. The already struggling cancer services were stretched to breaking point. Same for heart disease. It will have enormous implications.
The hard times I’m on about are the mid to late 1970’s. Probably FF and/or FGs fault back then anyway!
Yes, absolutely their fault.
I remember the 80s to be worse myself.
Economic history of the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia
In 1973, together with Denmark and the United Kingdom, Ireland joined the European Economic Community, which started a catching up process with the rest of Europe. However the boom did not last for long. Industrial relations disputes, inflation from the oil crises of 1973 and 1979, new capital taxes and poor management of the economy by the government took their toll in the 1970s. By the 1980s Ireland was referred to as the 'sick man of Europe' .
The 1980s in the Republic of Ireland was one of the state's bleakest times. The Charles Haughey and Garret FitzGerald governments made this bad situation much worse with more massive borrowing and tax rates as high as 60% (with one Fine Gael finance minister suggesting people were not being taxed enough). After joining the ERM in 1979, Ireland was also saddled for much of the 1980s with an overvalued currency, which wasn't rectified until the 1986 devaluation. Much of the capital borrowed in the 1980s went towards propping up this overvalued currency. Foreign investment, in the form of risk capital, was discouraged by all the evident difficulties.
This was also an era of political instability and extreme political corruption, with power alternating between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, with some governments not even lasting a year, and in one case, three elections in eighteen months.
You walked into that one 😂
And they are aghast when you are suspicious of them and their cronyism like butter wouldn't melt.
Yet, people survived and thrived. Back then, it was usual to live within your means, despite Charlie Haugheys claim! Income tax and interest rates were crazy. Yes, the 80’s were pretty grim. I was made redundant for the first time in ‘84. Not nice for a single mother with young children and a mortgage! But, I managed to get another job after a few weeks on the Dole. It was a sh17e job, but I made some great friends who were a great support, not only to me, but to each other. Something lacking nowadays.
33 ministers jetting off to all corners of the globe including Salad Boy. Who cares about the environment sure?
I'm sure we'll have the same old defence used..."it's a fantastic opportunity for Ireland with our own day to build relationships and strike deals"
No one makes any deals worth a shite on Paddys day trips. It's a sham.
Have you got a source for your claims?
There's no proof of it happening.
I'm just after hearing on the news that they're going to sell Ireland as a good place to live and work. lol
It's not a good place to live or work unless you want to spend 50% of your wages on rent.
It’s a great place to work, live, retire, explore. The vast majority of people own outright or have a mortgage on their homes. Very few spend 50% of their wages on rent.
"The vast majority of people own outright or have a mortgage on their homes"
Yeah. So?
The vast majority of what people? Irish?
Yep. Last Census (2016);showed 1,147,000 owner occupiers. 143,000 local authority renters and 327,000 other renters. So, yes. Vast majority, over 2:1 owners occupiers to renters.
Source: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp1hii/cp1hii/tr/
I heard in on the RTE. It was 30 odd.
Where are the rest of the figures? Homeless, Living in parents, family members etc.
Mortgage holders would also not be guaranteed anything either.
You said the vast majority of people. But you are not counting most of them.
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Homeowners also massively on the decline, as the older generation that found it much easier to afford to buy their own homes, are retired or retiring and many in the same home for 50 years or more.
If trying to attract people here, the target market would be a lot younger than that.
33 ministers travelling abroad for Paddy's Day.
Great little country is Ireland.
What exactly is wrong with this and can you see no benefits?
Less gombeens in the country?
You don't add much to debate on these threads. Why bother replying with this rubbish?
Will you be saying the same if SF get into Government in 3 years time and they go on these trips? I suspect not.
And why do you get irate and personal right off the bat?
Hopefully not. See how they go. Mind, good to see MM bragging about building our own being the best value.
What do you think the benefits are? Outgoing Taoiseach meets Biden and....
Anyone going to see Boris? Or is it too close?
Just to be clear you don't think a tiny country our size should not use this golden opportunity every year to travel the world to meet other official leaders, discuss trade deals, immigration policies etc.? You see this as a negative thing?
How many was it in 2019, the last year before Covid really hit?
I never understand the hysteria about ministers going abroad to meet other politicians and business leaders. Its the one day of the year, we can show up and be guaranteed to be greeted and put our case forward for our country.
37 went away in 2019. The number has increased every year since FG got into power. Bullsh*t excuse that they are spreading the good word of Ireland though. Getting good deals etc. Even more BS that TD's are needed to do it.
OK, so approx 13% fewer ministers are going away in 2022 than in 2019....
Therefore the 'numbers increasing' rant you just had is just plain and factually wrong.....
Good effort though.
I think it's a great idea in theory.
We've 8 TD's and 1 Fine Gael AG going to the USA. We've 1 going to Canada. Seems a little uneven.
Darragh O'Brien is off to the Expo in the UAE. I thought I heard something about a few lads there recently?
It's not the end of the world and not a rant IMO. It's another jolly for the boys in many cases.
Try tell me they aren't all of a giggle and titter waiting to see were they get to go?
Think they should do the trip like the retrofit grants, make the ministers pay up front and if they actually get investment reimburse them,
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