Food for thought alright
There are many solutions to tackle the SUV problem, which will need bold action from policymakers. These solutions – taxation, education and exclusion – have parallels with the successful campaign against cigarette smoking.
Volvos are very nice place to be alright.
Sports Utility Vehicle. Go anywhere, anytime, any conditions.
Don't believe everything you see in the telly ads.
One one vehicle in this clip seems to be working in these conditions, and it's not the SUV!
When you have pressure groups like the SIMI, Vintners, etc "advising " the Govt, prices are only going to go one way, and that's up, to suit these "Advisors".
A lot of that is summer tires.
The dumb thing about posts like this is there's an embittered crowd who fail to realise people who cycle also tend to have quite big cars too.
Personally I’ve never thought that, I’m sure their hypocrisy only goes so far.
They're not 'advisors advising'. They are lobbyists lobbying. Advisors work for Ministers, pressure groups don't.
I know the camera ‘’mirrors” in the first Audi e-tron only increased the range by 2km.
I fixed my post to correct my point, which is that the feared "Twitter trolls", some motorists reds under the bed, do in fact drive and not necessarily small super eco cars either.
Well, that's what the SUV stands for anyway,,, whether all of them perform genuinely as a SUV, is open to question. For sure, a lot of them are just higher off the ground clearance type vehicles, without any real SUV capabilities, and just for show. I don't need to look at the telly ads....I've driven SUV's...lots of them, and in conditions that needed full SUV capabilities.. but the ones in the video obviously never heard of snow chains, or more likely the snow fall was unexpected and they got caught out. The LandRover should have gven a far better performance, but then again it all depends on the driver, and his knowledge / experience driving one. But for me, old habits die hard...and come winter, I take my chains out of the shed, and put them in the boot.......just in case.😎
I suppose people should be driving small hatchbacks to green themselves up a bit. When they haven't a reasonable excuse to drive an suv. But suv are here to stay for a bit as they are the fashion atm.
I've driven passed soft roaders stuck in snow drifts in my auto k11 Micra wearing 10 year old summer tyres.
All the chains in the world won't help the majority of their drivers.
People also very much think that an suv will save them in a crash....I don't know the reality behind that but I'd suppose a small hatchback would come out worse than a suv . Although I think suvs are more unstable and would be more likely to crash especially at bends.
I know boards posting age is trending older but f*CK me, this thread stinks of middle aged men who are bitter that their wives made them buy an SUV, cross-over.
Excuses from too heavy, too tall, not aerodynamic & will reverse over kids!
The 'fashion' might be less fashionable if we start taxing them in proportion to the wear and tear they cause on the road, which is the fourth power of the rear axle weight, putting SUVs many multiples above lighter traditional vehicles.
Or it might be less fashionable if insurers start charging insurance based on the danger to both occupants and outsiders.
Insurers always go by their own statistics..and no one know better then them what is the most dangerous vehicle, but I'm but sure that SUVs are in a higher bracket or not. But as for the Fashion element, there's lot of SUV lookalikes out there,with FWD only, and not 4 WD.. But its all appearance with them.
Are SUVs involved in more crashes proportionally than non SUVs?
I have seen claims that Hybrid cars are heavier than petrol/diesel cars because of the battery, should we tax them more due to wear and tear on roads? That would be strange considering that we are being encouraged to buy cars which are cleaner.
Estate car?
In England, taxing EV's by weight is one of the proposals being looked at to replace the Tax from ICE vehicles......annual mileage is another way being looked at.
I wasn't talking about number of crashes, more about number of casualties and extent of injuries relating to the higher weight and the poor visibility. People were talking about the dangers of SUVs in reversing incidents here on boards more than 15 years ago. Evidence is continuing to show through on the same issue. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/little-known-danger-vehicles-backing-over-kids/
According to Kids and Cars, 60 percent of cases involve a larger vehicle like a van, SUV or truck. Minivans, Kids and Cars reports, have an average blind zone of up to 28 feet. SUVs have 39-foot blind zone. For some trucks, the blind zone can be as much as 50 feet.
We should certainly be taxing larger and higher EVs more than smaller and lighter EVs. It is bizarre that you can get a €5k grant for an EV, but support for buying an electric cargo bike is limited to tax relief on a €1500 purchase for higher earners only. That needs to change too.
What are the Irish figures on casualties/extent of injuries caused by SUV's relative to the proportion of overall vehicles on our roads?
What rates are you offering for me to be your researcher?
"Or it might be less fashionable if insurers start charging insurance based on the danger to both occupants and outsiders."
I had assumed you had some research done that might indicate why insurers would charge more for these supposed dangers.
Eventually cars will be so expensive that we’ll all be lucky to have a 2 seater electric plug in hairdryer on wheels. Oh, I can’t wait for the day……
The research has been going on for a couple of decades now, as noted above, and below;
Even today it's something of a minor miracle that someone on ordinary wages can afford any sort of car.
Leaving aside the fact that we can only buy what big international motor companies decide to build we have a national fleet that we need to make the best of until they go to the scrapyard in the sky.
If the Government are to get involved in more interference in the car market they'd need to proceed with caution.
That’s what I was tryin to say earlier … the more screwing around and interfering they do with the natural flow of the market..:: the more they mess things up … just like with the housing …
it’s impossible to afford a house now and it’s going/gone that way now with cars too .
I have a dog and a baby that needs a buggy when i go traveling … so need an suv or estate to carry em.. can’t carry em on a bicycle …
Starting with the grant for EVs presumably, let's get rid of that "interference " asap.
And all that public space given up for free for storing all the private vehicles, let's get rid of that interference too.
Not a huge fan of SUVs and all my recent cars and current (3 series) were and are traditional hatchback and saloons. Which I much prefer driving. But I seem to be in the minority and that’s fine. Other People much prefer them for access, space and height.
We have more than enough crucifixion of cars in Ireland without even more taxes heaped on in the pretend guise of “green” measures. As many posters have already pointed out what even is an suv now? Even small hatchbacks like the 2008 or Kona would be SUVs to the green eyed control freak zealots.
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