Suppose certain types of individuals believe the rise of the new Soviet union will be ever lasting peace ,
Except to the EU/Baltic States who lived under Forced occupation and oppression by russia and Russian forces ,how many people were disappeared under Soviet rule......
Here's the rub, you haven't reconciled yourself with the fact the USSR collapsed for very good reasons. Mourning it's loss is like mourning the loss of the Ottoman Empire.
You also haven't reconciled yourself with the fact that Ukraine and Georgia know full well a coercive relationship with Russia offers them no future, and is a recipe for a rump Soviet Union mk.2 with them answering to the Kremlin, with none of the benefits a closer relationship with the EU offer. Russia offers these places no future and they and you know it.
That's why it's a Lord Haw Haw act. You've wedded yourself to a Russian nationalist self pity world view that has autocracy and military threat at its core. You can't seriously morally, ethically or otherwise pin Russia's decision to invade both countries on the US, yet here you are trying and failing to do so.
Why you adopt this stance is open to conjecture. My own read is that this could be any tin pot autocrat worldwide, and no matter the consequences for the region or the people, you'd be out with the pom poms cheerleading simply because outwardly they're saying they're jabbing a finger in the eye of imperialism or other such nonsense.
I think what you're observing is a similar sort of thing, albeit taken to an extreme - when that journalist Eoin Harris would go way out of his way to criticize anything remotely connected to the "Shinners". And he (or maybe it was Conor Cruise O'Brien) would justify his venom by saying something along that lines that we need to criticize the transgressions of our own, far louder than the transgressions of others.
Finland seemed to fair pretty well, despite not being in NATO, shared a land border with the USSR, heck even made them an enemy in WWII. Why can't USA just stay out of Georgia and UKraine?
Why do they insist on installing 'friendly' leaders to sell off assets?
We need journos like this!
Why can't Russia stay out of Ukraine and Georgia after all they have annexed land from both Ukraine and Georgia..
Not America ,not Nato
But Russia
I think it has something to do with the ever encroachment of NATO on Russia's borders.
What about Ukraines actual border.....
This is getting severely ridiculous
These threads always descend into this
This is it. Their reflexive adoption of the Putinite point of view comes with it the doctrine that Ukraine's sovereignty is always subservient to Russia's needs and Russian strategic doctrine.
Their starting point is "America hurr dee durr" and the penny is still dropping they're subscribing to a doctrine of military force and coercion like something from the 1930s.
They've been absolutely had, but can't bring themselves to admit it because they threw down the anchor on their arguement so long go. It's a long road back, as retreating from it would require admitting they were acting as useful idiots.
There are posters here to genuinely discuss the situation in Ukraine/Russia, then there are those who just want to grind an axe.
No, you don't get it. As your mind is very obviously binary.
I did state continuum.
That is exactly the way the US treats others sovereignty. Mad isn't it?
Unfortunately this is usual M/O ,
Russia threatening to invade ukraine ,
It's Americas fault , Russia attacks Georgia its America's fault.
Does anyone remember Iraq it's all America's fault.
The idea is either derail the threads or get people banned so only the Americans did this opinion can be heard
I'll refer you to the thread title. And to reiterate, you're signed yourself up to the status of useful idiot once again.
Russian - Chinese bilateral talks on the kickoff day of the Winter Olympics.
For diplomatic reasons, Russia will not be invading ANYWHERE or doing anything newsworthy until the Chinese Olympics are over. So for all of the baiters wanting we "anti-Russians" to explain why it hasn't happened, well there it is. Take note.
And take note, grasshoppers, when Russia and China announce a new financial paradigm with a yuan gold-backed currency. Possibly rouble also. This will offset any proposed Swift sanctions and set in train the eventual removal of the dollar as the sole world reserve currency.
To those willing to learn, follow Alasdair MacLeod on Twitter. Yeah, he writes for Goldmoney.com so he's a gold shill. IF you're a g*bsh*te.
A Lithuanian friend opened my eyes, years ago, when talking about the RA. Over 20,000 Lithuanian defenders lost their lives in the Forest Wars in the mid 20th century.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_war_in_the_Baltic_states
“America hurr dee durr”
Sorry B P, Yurt’s superior knowledge and caustic wit wins the day. Time to get out and leave it to the experts.
Not a bad suggestion to be honest. Because "America hurr dee durr" pretty much neatly captures what ye are saying at this point.
YOU said it Ross.
Read this, it about how the Georgians started the 2008 war by shelling civilians.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/aug/13/georgia.russia3
Maybe you should stay on them?
The problem with posters like yourself is you post nonsense, then expect to be taken seriously.
Wake up lad, would ya?
Atrocities committed but on their own turf against a breakaway region of 50,000 people (these days). Russia intervened to help the little guys and defend them perhaps (they're very good like that). But that was an internal matter for Georgia and later for the UN. Not Russia.
Crimea and East Ukraine is the same BS that Hitler used with the Sudetenland. Old as the hills.
If that's the case, a good slab of London should be controlled from Dublin.
Any theory out there that Russia are putting troops near Ukraine so NATO/US moves lots of troops/ships/weapons etc. there and then China invades Taiwan?
Bye 👋
America has enough man power , from South Korea ,Japan and elsewhere to engage china should they make a move for Taiwan, that includes ships , aircraft and submarines ,
China wouldn't be able to hide a sudden mass troop/equipment movement to the coast ,
This is putin wanting to redraw borders in the Eu
So basically if the US undermines the government of a country on Russia's border, assists in a coup there, hand picks the successors and then moves to have that country join an Anti Russian military alliance, THAT is none of Russia's business and don't you try and dirty USA's name by bringing it up.
You'd nearly hope the Russia cheerleaders here are banging away on their keyboards in an office in St. Petersburg, because if they aren't, they'd want to have a right good chat with themselves. Some of the most pathetic "debating" I've ever seen. It's like a full house bingo card of zombie slogans, dumb cliches, obfuscations, whataboutery, bait and switches, historical illiteracies, quarter truths, and flagrant lies. Yis are defending the completely indefensible and yis know it full well.
Well clearly you're not happy to do so, you've been asked countless time but the bluster and bluff continues. It's laughable to watch you squirm.
There was no coup in Ukriane. Yanukovych bolted from Kiev ahead of an impeachment vote after the Berkut murdered over 100 civilians in the street. He was voted out by the parliament congruent to the Ukrianian constitution. He then (quelle surprise) ended up in Russia licking his wounds.
"Coup" is Kremlinite sh*t talk and like a docile useful idiot you repeat it. More boogeyman spook nonsense.
The US had nothing to do with those circumstances, like a Lada, it was made in Russia.
And NATO are as clear as day with Ukraine, they have a long road to go to be accepted as members, but the door is open to them. As it should be.
The truth is sadder still. They're holed up in their jocks in a box room posting this stuff.
Moscow must be laughing their heads off they don't even have to pay Macedonians a euro an hour to come up with this guff.
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