Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Why? What’s going to be so great for the country about it.
Edit: Nvm saw your post above
some good points. I hope you’re right.
not sure I’d trust our government not to make a complete mess of it though.
It applies to asylum seekers too, time requirement is half. NGOs lies about conditions in DP is part of the reason for the amnesty. The government announced that this amnesty was drawn up with input from NGOs.
I must admit I'm getting confused I thought the anti people side had no problem with asylum seekers it was the illegal undocumented they hated in this thread.
Are asylum seekers a problem the state should seek a solution to?
Asylum seekers are one of the groups this is open to.
As for a solution wrt asylum, simply resourcing the system appropriately would make a massive difference.
i'll bite on question 1.. Increased use of services we all use(new net users of same, not net contributors), Rochdale type gangs, Jihadi violence, ghettoisation, violent crime, decreased social cohesion, dependency culture., More demands that we change our ways to accomadate the not very accomodating newcomers
I'll bite on question 2...
Saying that the government has to fund existing infrastructure anyway they'll have to be footing the bill regardless ignores the fact theres only so much money available. Heard a woman on the radio the other day say her daughter was waiting 3 years see a consultant and another 3 years for an operation.
If we can't fund waiting lists like this how can we cope with more demand?. 17,000 is a figure plucked from the sky, no one knows. On top of that we have O Gormans plan to invite the world here and promise own door accommodation within 3 months and he freely admits he has no idea how many we'll have to cater for every year.
A more diverse population is never a bad thing.
Any evidence to back that one up? (nope. Not opinion pieces) Because if you look at all nations who have been pushing the diversity angle, claims of racism and social disorder/friction is on the rise. With more diversity, comes a greater focus on minority groups, with greater funding being allocated to NGOs whose interest is to promote minority rights, all the while, the native population is told to suck it up.
Europe has seen two decades of multiculturalism, and diversity being pushed under policies encouraging mass immigration, and over the last few months, nearly every champion of multiculturalism has turned away from it, referring to problems with crime, and the failures of integration action plans. So.. why would those nations, like Denmark, choose to turn 180 degrees away from encouraging such diversity?
So.. perhaps give some details as to how a more diverse population is never a bad thing, perhaps using another nation with more experience of immigration as an example? (Not the US.. stick with a European nation with a sizable foreign population)
Jaysus wept, its like a copy/paste from the Daily Mail
Lets break it down
Net users, not net contributors - You really need to go into a nursing home and see how many Irish work there. I promise you, in most cases, its less than 10-15%. Without migration, whole swathes of our economy would not function so they contribute a hell of a lot in the same way illegal Irish in other countries contribute. If you have evidence showing otherwise, by all means show it
Rochdale type gangs - I'll just say 2 words, catholic church.
Jihadi violence - We don't need to worry about this, we have our own sectarian violence already
Ghettoisation - Created through bad public policies (see Darndale, Devaney Gardens etc) and easily avoided through the same
Violent crime - There will always be a few bad eggs, no doubt, but the vast vast majority of migrants come here for a better life for themselves and their families and make Ireland their home.
The rest went too far into the Daily Mail dark side
Local nursing home is predominately IRish women, followed by Polish and a few nurses from Phillippinnes and India. None of these will be availing of the amnesty as they migrated here legally(both EU and non EU) and can get Irish citizenship due to their net contribution to our country
All the issues you highlight are as a result of bad public policies.
Don't confuse bad policies with migration being a problem otherwise you could end up saying the same thing about our justice system, health system, education system etc.
A bad policy, poorly implemented, will never have a good result.
A good policy, even badly implemented, will always end in a better result.
Never said "all"
The Rochdale gangs are a logarithmic scale larger than anything individual Catholic priests managed. Just look at this "gent" from Rochdale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Ahmed,_Baron_Ahmed ..
You said at most 10 to 15% of workers in nursing homes are IRish!!!. you may have as well said the vast majority of nursing home workers in ireland are illegal migrants , therefore falsely conflating the legal foreign workers with the illegal migrants who will avail of the amnesty.. Complete dishonesty on your part
Are we supposed to start comparing individual perverts now or something?
How is that a basis for any type of a logical point?
See the thread title for clarification
So immigrants are just criminals in your mind?
And do you know that those nurses from the Philippines and India are actually here legally?
A huge amount of illegal immigrants are people exactly As described, who have overstayed their visas. Which is why such an amnesty is a good thing.
You haven't clarified anything.
Trying to convince people to part with more tax euros for this scheme which has absolutely no benefit whatsoever. None. The migrants that come here legally are mostly educated or necessary. And do so at cost to themselves. They fulfill a role in our society and invited to do so.
Unfethered illegal migration is of no advantage and only drains resources.
Leave it at that please and stop going round in circles and calling people far right for being having some fooking sense.
Do you have the stats on this?
Yes I have, you just are unable to understand.
The rest of your post is more Daily mail/populist/xenophobic silliness
As for calling out such things, well, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck........
The nurses will be registered with an Bord Analtrais , so i can safely say 100% are here legally. The nursing home industry is highly regulated by HIQA so i find it doubtful any workers will be undocumented
They are registered with a valid visa, the visa runs out, they stay. Fairly simple
Looks like Macron has joined the far right and the Nazis. I hope the Minister for Justice condemns him publicly....and possibly bans him from ever entering Ireland again.......😀.....
Macron also wants to create a “rapid reaction force” to help protect EU states' borders in case of a migrant surge and is also pushing for a rethink of the bloc's asylum application process.
Macron also said he wants the EU to be more efficient in deporting those refused entry.
The French president is also looking to reduce the number of visas issued to non-EU nations that are reluctant to take back their citizens who have been refused asylum in the EU
Have you any update on the Australian government's race based immigration policies against Asians and Pacific Islanders? I haven't been able to find anything.
Stats?
considering no-one knows who lives in the country, legally or illegally, how would I have stats?
So Macron is shtting himself that Le Pen is gaining.
Finally mainstream politicians maybe getting the message from their citizens who are fed up to the back teeth with the shyte they have to put with nowadays.
The only thing that will save the left & so called centrists is that the centre right and right is being divided between three candidate, otherwise it was theirs to win.
Fook me the liberals would have a canary if a Jewish right winger like Eric Zemmour was in the run off.
So then how do you know?
Noone knows why people are here illegally
How do you think we have illegal immigrants here?
And in all three posts you’ve been wrong. I explained to you why. You were the one who used the word technically, remember ? Well, technically and legally, while someone is an asylum seeker ( I.e with a live asylum claim pending) they are not illegally here. If they are not in the asylum process they are not an asylum seeker. I honestly don’t know how to make it any clearer. I’m making no comment on illegal immigrants btw, just correcting a basic factual error. I’ll leave it at that, I’m not going to repeat myself again.
One question if we have all these problems already, why import more problems on top?
Ones who have had their claim rejected, yes.
Instead we let them work on legislation to let them stay..
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