Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Macron has copped on that Le Pen's support is not because loads of people in France have gone back to their Vichy ways, but that ordinary people are tired of the shyte, tired of Calais, tired of seeing priests and teachers decapitated in public.
So have you given up on lecturing farmers about the environment and decided to lecture us here on open borders.
No wonder most people despise the greens.
Have you ever given any thought as to why populous parties and populous politicians have risen around the western world ?
I suppose it is because everyone suddenly became racist. 🙄
Ever thought that some of those populous ideas might actually be good ?
Why do some clowns nowadays think that peoples and states have no right to protect their own integrity ?
As someone said earlier if we take this notion to extreme then why lock you door and instead just let a bunch of freeloaders into your home to do as they wish.
Then again most of the proponents of these ideas never have to deal with the affects of all the freeloaders, they just make sure it is other less well off types that suffer so that they can get their social media likes for their ever so liberal agendas.
It is marvellous how many liberals are liberal with other peoples money and rights to services.
What was that old line about socialists giving away other people's money ?
But it is much more dangerous these days because not alone is it about giving away money today, it is giving away people's futures and right to safety.
Did you want to argue with the xenophobia, bigotry and far-right nonsense? Knock yourself out
Meanwhile the world moves on, amnesty will be offered to thousands and the country will be better for it.
Some won't like it but then some folk are never happy unless they see others suffering.
You are attempting to re-frame your original post to be about illegal immigrants, when it was in response to to a post about Asylum Seekers.
Asylum seekers are not illegal. Your refusal to see the error after @bubblypop, @trashcan and myself corrected it is bewildering.
So absolutely no counter arguement just good feels.
I notice your the same guy advocating in the green policies forum about renewable as well.
It's all magic to you where resources comes from isn't it.
Pulled from someone's hole. In this case tax payers holes.
Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that the amnesty is not going to be "once in a generation" thing and is more likely to be a regular occurrence every few years.
Here's hoping! 😊
when irish emigrate to Australia, we get our applications and visas sorted before rocking up at their border...so no we do not have to go through the same process. If an Irish person rocked up and claimed asylum at an Australian port should go through the "same process"
We need a Red C poll on this issue and many others. Carefully worded not to lead one way or the other. Independently funded, how I don't know but no political involvement etc.
Seems that would be one way to gauge the views of the country, since it is a fait accompli with no evidence of public support, otherwise.
I'd ban the words deflection and deflecting from this forum. It only ever seems to be used when posters don't want to deal with the content of posters posts.
Oh someone will probably be along now to accuse me of deflection. 🤣
Is that not O Gormans job?
You're deflecting. He answered your previous post, and you've just dismissed his response entirely.
He didn't rant. It was a measured and reasonable post without any emotional baggage attached.
Other nations have been dealing with immigration for longer than us, and the patterns of results is pretty well established. The same patterns happened in Germany, France, Denmark, etc.. but people like yourself would have us follow in the steps of these countries, who have come to the realisation that immigration carries a host of dangers.. but we should ignore all of that, just to show how open/fair we are. It's a ridiculous stance, and will result in a wide range of problems that Irish people will have to pay for.
One and the same... one leads to the other and both need to be controlled at the point of entry subject to the criteria I outlined above.
But in regards to the amnesty, refer to my post a page or two back or to summarise for you.. its McEntee and co chasing Twitter likes and appeasing people for whom virtue signalling is more important than reality. She shouldn't be in office in the first place and certainly not implementing measures likes this for which there is no evidence of actual public support for but where that same public will be dealing with the consequences for decades to come.
Your rant has little to do with the topic at hand i.e. Amnesty for illegal immigrats.
What you are ranting about is stopping illegal immigration.
Nope. People are rightfully asking for controls and rules around immigration - or at the very least, respecting the ones we already have!
We are a small island on the edge of Europe with long-standing and in many cases worsening problems in healthcare, housing, costs of living, welfare costs, justice, rural/city inequality of opportunity and investment, and many others that we haven't been able to properly tackle through successive governments. We cannot afford to take on all the problems of anyone who rocks up in a plane, boat or shipping container.
We absolutely have a right to verify that such people have a legal basis for entry, can support that claim with the proper documentation and verification, and equally the right to reject anyone who doesn't meet that criteria or who abuses our hospitality while their application is processed.
This is OUR country. Immigration should be a benefit to our society, culture and economy - not just benefitting those who arrive or acting as a drain on those things - and we have a right to expect that those arriving will have skills we need, the ability to support themselves, and will respect our laws and culture.
If they can't/won't do those things, then back where they came from or let them try their luck elsewhere!
People getting rewarded for breaking the law is what it is.
Wonder if I stop paying the mortgage will the banks reward me by giving the house? Or will the government help, think we all no the answer.
One person's "completely sensible and justified response" is another person's xenophobic reaction to inflammatory rhetoric.
We need to stop importing the racial and identity politics and culture war issues of primarily the US and trying to paste it into a society where it has no relevance or fit - namely, ours
And yet some here are advocating exactly that in their treatment of migrants
Don't know about Tyrrellstown but the NCR (stretches from Pheonix Park to Five Lamps) and Dorset Street aren't 'turning into ghettos'. I know because I live in the vicinity of both.
But see that's the issue... completely sensible and justified responses are now being labelled as "far right" by people who really should take a break from Twitter and the likes.
This is Ireland FFS.. we don't even have a "right" anymore, never mind a "far right" - just various shades of left. We need to stop importing the racial and identity politics and culture war issues of primarily the US and trying to paste it into a society where it has no relevance or fit - namely, ours!
Agreed but unfortunately "Minister for Social Justice and Virtue Signalling" would probably be too close to the bone for her, Leo and the rest of the new generation of FGers.
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I've lived 13-14 (ish) years abroad, including Australia and China. In every place I've lived I had a valid visa. With Australia, I had applied for residency, but due to a clerical error, I was refused due to the max applications being reached for the Queensland region.
So, I do understand the process involved, and it hasn't changed my mind. If people are suitable for that nation, then they will jump through the various hoops to get the legal recognition of the visa. Nations have the right to choose for themselves who is likely to be the fit for their culture.
That's not a far-right policy. It's simple common sense. Ensure that the native population are protected.
Australia has proper policies in place for emigrating there. I'd have no issues in following their procedures.
I wasn't aware that they had race based policies in place for Asians and Pacific Islander minorities. I'll look into it, sounds awful though.......if true....🙃
I think a party with a similar approach here in Ireland would do very well at the polls. At the moment the only parties willing to talk about immigration are the maniacs like Barrett and Gemma who the vast majority of us despise.
One wonders how your opinion might change if you were emigrating to Australia and had to go through the same process.
Would it still be considered a "proper" immigration policy then or is it only proper because it only applies to Asian and Pacific Islander minorities?
Controlled immigration policies aren't far right, it's just a smear used by the usual suspects.
What they've done is adopt proper immigration policies but people who think anyone an inch to the right of Stalin is far right are upset about it.
If this egit mc Entee concentrated her efforts on the justice system and make the country safer from assaults and murders in the country (which seem to ever increasing) she would be better off. Stop wasting people money.
Never said the govt was far-right, however they adopted far-right policies to take the wind out of the sails of the populist parties
You only have to look at how a similar approach worked out for our neighbors, the UK, where the Conservatives adopted the same approach to steal the thunder from UKIP
I read recently that we have a staggering 30,000 plus NGOs in Ireland and our government forks out over 5 billion a year in funding, many of these organisations doing the same thing.
https://gript.ie/un-ngos-ireland/
The far right Danish government? 🤣
Macron has just made another speech on immigration, legal and illegal. He's a bit like the Conservatives in the UK though, lot of talk but very few noticeable results.
How would you treat somebody who forced their way into your home, refuses to leave and helps themselves to your food without doing a tap to support themselves? Genuine people seeking help, help away, assorted chancers pissing all over us, you can wait elsewhere while you application is heard. And none have to go to the centre abroad, they can choose to go home or head back to the previous safe country they came from
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