Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Ah yes, the far-right approach towards their fellow humans. Not sure that's something worthy of emulation or adoration
Or never let then land in the first place. Australia puts the asylum seekers on pacific islands that are not australian(pays the locals). Denmark is following suit and the uk government is making serious noises about sending their channel migrants to central africa while their applications are being heard
That's a fresh viewpoint - haven't heard that before!
That's a fresh viewpoint - haven't heard that before! Sure let everybody in and let them all claim the dole and have free houses. It'll be grand. That's what the Irish do everywhere else.
First question any immigrant wanting to settle in Ireland is, what trade or skills have you to support yourself and family. Supply evidence. Second question any convictions or warrants should be investigated. If any convictions or no skills straight back out on next available flight asap. Seems a no brainer to me
NGO's best interests that all. These institutions need to be tackled hard. Also a bit of an ask to be a charity case considering a lot of people are struggling with rises in living costs here.
I didn't make it clear enough, convicted of a crime. And yes I do trust the gardai who have their hands tied behind their backs in this country.
Because the Gardai are not on a big enough power trip already? 🙄
We've already seen how some were caught blackmailing Deliveroo staff just because they thought they would be too frightened to say anything. Most were, some weren't.
Now imagine the police force having the level of power you are proposing. It would be open season for blackmail, coercion, intimidation etc
Yeah, no thanks
I’m past caring what the absolute failures of politicians do in this country. They have a wonderful menu of PC bollox they doggedly implement, even if it makes no sense and the country can ill afford it. So much the better bring it on! Poorly educated, work shy migrants of any type will not enrich the country, and we’ve plenty of our own of them already. Welcome to the sh:t show that is Ireland.
Instead of this convoluted "solution" the government thinks is appropriate wouldn't it be better and far more efficient to say if you have committed a crime here, no matter how minor, that's it...off home?
Wouldn't that be easier than all the bulls!it?
Id vote for that party, but think they be at SD levels initially (which would be decent).
They would be decried by the media, and constantly painted as the bad guys, turning the majority of media led folks, we don't really care about politics etc off
That attitude is precisely why this shït will be given the green light. For so many, this country is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Another elephant in the room that people are very scared to talk about is certain immigrants from certain countries want to work and are very hard workers but then there are certain nationalities that never seem to want to work.
It’s late but this is a start.
I shouldn’t have to say this but I’m not racist. Immigrants, and their families, should be net contributors to the economy.
As a nation we are in dire straits in terms of housing, healthcare, overcrowded schools etc.
The last thing we need is more immigrants in low wage jobs who are paying very little tax but consuming housing, healthcare and school capacity.
I think it is ****.I went through all the legal loops,the fees and the wait to be legal here.I knew what was needed and did it.Now they want to hand it out to ones who couldn't be bothered to do things the legal way?
Ahh well.. I figure you're not the one getting it.. so I'm going to stop this here. We disagree. Fine.
The double standards of some Irish towards the topic of migration is hilarious
No it doesn’t. You’re really not getting it are you ? While you are an asylum seeker you have a legal permission to stay, therefore you are not illegal. What you are before or after that is a different matter entirely. Of course you could be illegally here before you apply for asylum, and you can be illegally here once you are refused. However, while you are an asylum seeker, you cannot be illegally here. If your claim fails, you are no longer an asylum seeker. As you say yourself, the logic isn’t difficult.
What is the reason that the government would be doing these sort of thing. I just don’t understand what benefit it is to them.
Just as I stated previously, some of them are illegal migrants, since they arrive here illegally (others arrive legally), and their asylum claims are denied, which doesn't change their status of being... illegal. Hence, the idea that some Asylum seekers are still illegal migrants, whereas Asylum seekers who get approved to stay here, are still asylum seekers but legal migrants while their claims are being investigated/processed. There are Asylum seekers who are near instantly denied Asylum due to there being records on past attempts or not fulfilling the basic requirements for granting Asylum.
Bubbly made a generalised comment about Asylum seekers not being illegal, as if every Asylum seeker, regardless of their claims being approved or not, would be considered a legal migrant. That's not the case, hence the deportation orders given to failed Asylum seekers (even if they haven't been carried out, the deportation order exists), otherwise there would be no onus or need to deport failed Asylum seekers at all...
The logic involved isn't difficult.. and my previous post stands.
A very accurate and succinctly put post.
if my life was in danger here, I’m unlikely to be going 4000 miles away to attain safety.. by line of sight there are about 14 safe countries between Afghanistan and Ireland for example…so not picking on Afghans but why would they want to come here ? Considering safety is more attainable more quickly and with less effort and hardship ?
as for the amnesty, as soon as it’s granted I’d give it about 6 months before the hard left…”when’s the next one, come on”
say there is 20,000 undocumented/illegal… 20,000 every 2 years is 100,000 extra per decade… added to natural population increases….
im glad I also have a private pension, methinks I’ll need it.
The country is going down the tubes very fast, parts of Dublin are already turning into ghettos , look at Tyrrellstown in west Dublin, North Circular road, Dorset street.
Its far more than 17,000, multiply it by 5 at least.
The shinners are even worse than FG on this topic.
And their economic policies are fantasies.
There is huge opening for a socially conservative economic right wing party in this country.
And no I don't mean a catholic socially conservative party against abortion, divorce, same sex marriage, homosexual rights, but a party that doesn't buy into a lot of the trans shyte (e.g girl today boy tomorrow bullcr** that is appearing on our shores), one that is against letting people wander into Ireland and then be given free healthcare, accommodation, free legal aid to fight the Irish state in effect, one that finally starts to tackle the traveller issue, a tough stance on anti social behaviour and crime.
Because of a growing population we have had to build more hospitals, more schools, etc but haven't built a new prison in how long ?
And by economic right wing I mean an end to the career welfare option, forever homes cr**, and a fair deal for those that pay their way.
Of course most of the above is now denounced as being fascism and I would be labelled a brownshirt or some such.
You said in your original post, in response to a comment that asylum seekers are not illegal, that technically some of them are. You’ve just conceded yourself that that’s not true. They may be illegal before they apply for asylum, but once they do, they get a temporary permission, hence not illegal. McHardcore was right to correct you.
It's shocking to me that illegal immigrants with criminal convictions are included in this scheme.
Look at the official crime statistics in places like Sweden and Germany, do we want to end up like that?
Should anyone enter a country without a visa, or permission to be there, they are illegal immigrants... until they gain permission to remain in that country, either through some form of visa, an Asylum application, or some form of appeal process over remaining.
The period before making a claim means that they are technically here illegally if they haven't gained permission already to be here. The application/claim to be an Asylum seeker changes that status.
You really should read what is stated before objecting, and not object over something that wasn't said. Which is what you've just done.
You are right people are getting more pissed off at the status quo and the distain our politicians have for the actual working class in this country.
But they have absolutely nowhere to go (think we'll see a swing through ignorance to SF, who are basically the same)
More bullshyte as usual.
An asset to the country is not someone that couldn't get a valid visa in the first place and most especially not someone that was on a deportation order.
Just like a lot of other places eventually the plebs paying for stuff or the ones being totally left behind in this glorious multicultural globalised world start getting peed off and then the shyte hits the fan.
I can't figure how how most mainstream politicians, the media, NGOs and modern liberal types haven't copped on that a lot of people are getting more and more pis**d off with the status quo.
We have had Trump, Brexit, populous regimes popping up all over the place.
In France Macron has started getting tougher because he can see the writing on the wall with the support for Le Pen.
Denmark copped on, but little old Ireland is run by gimps looking for likes from the media and NGOs.
Asylum was originally intended for people fleeing for their lives.
It was never intended for people catching flights to the destination of choice and tearing up passports on the way.
The system is being abused by economic migrants who are landing here because they know if they stay long enough they wont be deported. They now know that if they stay under the radar for four years they may get an amnesty.They also know the Government is proposing to give them their own door accomodation and this accomodation will be in social housing in very nice parts of Dublin.
And anyone defending this madness is not on a public housing list or waiting for four years to see a consultant on a public waiting list,their child isnt waiting for mental health supports or support for extra educational needs in school or even something so basic as a wheelchair that fits or orthondontic treatment.
Its this cohort of people who will suffer from too much immigration of low skilled people who wouldnt qualify under any scheme to come here but those who will benefit from cheap unskilled labour will benefit most of all.
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