The Ukrainian minister against dis-information clears it up quite well in the video... but as I suspect you flicked through it, didn't understand the English in it, and didn't see any pictures of Zelensky, you're like "aha"!
As lovely as the sentiment is of the rest of your post, with the "boo hoo, no one believes Russia".... you have blatantly glossed over evidence of Russian media doctoring western media for propaganda use internally... as I expected really, you're another poster full of garbage.
did you even read what was in your own link and honestly say that's an unbiased history of Ukraine? need to cop on if you did.
plenty, you just won't admit that it's garbage
There your posts , nothing edited or reworded .
Spew keyboard diarrhea and now your complaining about it ....
Maybe find a different topic
Oh, I feel so exposed now! 😏 Oh, when/if you post a 'fact' I'll let you know if I feel 'cornered'.
You, Gatling and Yurt have quite a method going on here...Read a post, ignore the post reword the post to suit your narrative and then reply. At least you didn't deny your inconsistency....Progress!
It's curious to see (presumably) Irish people indulging in a Russian nationalist pity party.
Russia had all the chances in the world to be an economic and political center of gravity for the region following the breakup of the USSR. It had the chance to treat former satellite states and USSR constituent republics as peer countries instead of vassals that serve no purpose but to go on bended knee to Moscow. Institutionally, it was taken over by goons and oligarchs, and the economy is energy-sick with little prospect of that changing.
Western institutions, like NATO, but particularly the EU, exist and persist on the principle of pooled sovereignty, shared economic opportunity and are underpinned by each country being seen as peers bound by political consent and a ruleset no matter what their relative size or economic heft.
For former Eastern Bloc countries, it's not even worth asking the question why they would gravitate west. And the only thing that would stop them from gravitating west is military coercion. I wonder would any Estonian person with a brain in their skull seriously give up NATO and EU membership to be fully exposed to Moscow's whims?
Putin still hasn't reconciled himself to the fact that he offers his neighbours a **** deal - second fiddle vassal status tied to an economy that waxes and wanes to oil prices with him controlling all the levers. That's a type of relationship that harbours bad memories for any modern European country in proximity to Russia.
I recall a few years ago getting a taxi at Warsaw airport to take me to my hotel. I didn't have any zloty as I had just landed, and I asked the cabbie does he take euro? Deadpan as you like he turned his head and said to me "I'll take any currency except roubles". Loaded response but tells you a lot.
That time the Syrians shot down a Russian military surveillance aircraft killing all on board....
Russia Blamed the Israelies at the time
There is a link between Syria and Belarus, if that's any good to ye? I don't have the flight numbers. Very safe route though, zero chance of getting shot down. VIPs enroute.
Harry, just for sh1ts and giggles, any chance you could change your username to:-
ImNotDisPutin'
just until the invasion is over?
It would be epic.
Thanks
An alleged en-passant comment behind closed doors to the leader of a country that does not exist anymore prior to the greatest geopolitical shake-up of the 20th century does not meet the bar of a treaty, joint-communique, or anything else convincing. I have next to no sympathy for the point of view that an individual's comment - which to this day we've seen very little evidence apart from in the minds of Russian nationalists - without the consultation of other NATO allies should be taken as bond as a treaty would.
Putin wasn't tricked, he was a recently unemployed low-level KGB goon driving a cab in Leningrad when this was going on.
you clearly didn't even read that article you linked in here
There was no agreement ,
Russia wasn't tricked
That's nonsense.
The Russian Federation is the de facto successor to the USSR. US and NATO are happy to accept the continuation of disarmament treatties signed by USSR but continued bt Russian Federation.
In any event, if the justification for NATO expansion to the east is ," sorry Putin , we tricked you, you should have gotten it in writing," then I think that says quite a lot about the intentions of the US .
That's the problem.. anyone else, sure, its a typo, but when its coming from you?? Hard to tell....Where a simple " Its a typo" would have been acceptable, and would not have generated a comment from me, but off you went again with your " Grow the hell up !!! " As I have said all ready, you just cannot help it...always try to have the last word, and the sting in the tail. Maybe its you who should grow the hell up...treat people with respect, and you will get respect in return.
NATO or the US made no such commitments to Russia in 1992.
The commitments, not captured in a treaty or MOU, were allegedly made to Mikhail Gorbachev, leader of a country that no longer exists, in 1990. The USSR subsequently ceased to be the following year, and the security picture and geopolitical map in Europe radically altered.
If Putin wants to run-back the collapse of the USSR to make it more favourable to a Russia denuded of much of its influence and thinks that NATO, the EU or anyone else will or should bend to it, he's not half as smart as some of his cheerleaders make out.
You clearly have no historical, factual or logical response to my post. You either know youre spewing nonsense or youre too thick to realize it. It's always more fun to pretend to be edgy and think you see geopolitics in its true light and everyone else cant. It makes you feel more intelligent and special. No one doubts the crimes and lies America and the Uk have committed over their history. Nor should we ignore the crimes and lies Russia/USSR have committed historically. But in this individual event, on merit, a murderous dictator who presides over an administration of human rights abuses wishes to expand Russia's sphere of influence over Ukraine. Ukraine who are of no threat to Russia. Neither America nor Ukraine have amassed these Russian troops and equipment to the border. Neither America nor Ukraine invaded Crimea, nor have they backed separatists in the Donbas and waged cyber warfare on Ukraine with all intent to destabilize the country. Do you deny any of these facts?
its just endless drivel you are fooling no one with your nonsensical tactics, deflecting and moving the goal posts as it suits you and then attacking the poster rather than the post (deflection tactic) when you are completely cornered by facts.
Now that ive exposed you, im gonna guess your next post is gonna be about how "Disingenuous" or some other backhanded insult....
Didn't happen.
No agreement ,no legal binding agreement ,no biding treaties .
Just sad Russians wanting to revise history
WOW,,,you are really out on a loop.....you think that other posters can't handle your comments, and need my help??? WOW again!!! I'm honored but its untrue. My views and opinions are mine alone, what others post belongs to them.
Just because you are not aware of the commitments made by NATO in 1992 does not mean it never happened. See
here
But...it was obviously a typo, grow the hell up!
Another Yurt..but it's not Yurt...it's catching. Sweet Lord it's catching...what is it with you lot?
Well if you're dismissing me, I must be wrong!
Inconsistent chastising ??? What are you on about??? And now I'm Bug????? Yeah.....this post is you all right. If further proof was needed, you just nailed it.
And you still can't read and you have a myopic view on geopolitics..
Yes I get it now. Ukraine are a threat to Russia. Ukraine who aren't even in NATO and had a piece of Ukraine invaded in 2014 and militant separatists working for the Kremlin undermining them in their own country, and cyber attacks on government website. Little Ukraine is a big threat to Russia. Little Ukraine who wish to join the west and EU (for all its faults) and democracy. Why would they want to move away from Russia, like I know it is essentially a backwards dictatorship with terrible human rights, where political opposition are either murdered or jailed, media is controlled by the Kremlin and all wealth and power is confined to a group of oligarchs loyal to Putin. But why? Why are they those terrible bullies Ukraine arming their citizens and setting up defense systems on their borders? I know Russia has mobilized the largest concentration of military force in Europe since WW2,...and I know their military and weaponry dwarfs Ukraine and they even have nuclear weapons but why are Ukraine being so aggressive for. It must be Americas fault again because they did that thing in Iraq, ah yes!
So precisely no causal link at all then.
(Pssst, you're also having reading comprehension issues. There's a rather important difference between the word causal and casual)
Pro west imperialism? i believe russia is the only country in recent times to take over the territory of another nation lol
Anyway im making it official now and completely dismissing what you're saying as nonsense and that your ramblings are null and void and should be ignored.
We all know the truth of whats happening you cant spin your pro Russian imperialism propaganda here it has 0 effect. As you can see yourself you ve been completely destroyed and your points have been repeatedly dismantled.
I look forward to another snide hollow deflective comment from you! comrade!
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