Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
It's amazing how inept they are considering how easy they have it. They literally had to do one thing to appease their voters, and they didn't do anything but speak about it, so he deserves everything he gets. I've never liked him anyway, so I'll not be sad to see him go, but whoever replaces him won't be much better. It's much like Ireland, the same ****, but different politicians.
That's the real reason Boris is on the way out, it's not really just about parties, it's been coming for a year or two now.
Just like with Brexit. It's the immigration stupid.
They could, but the "far right fascist" Tories simply don't do anything about it. They've been absolutely terrible on immigration.
I’m not walking around fuming in day to day life, fair enough. But they just keep making nonsense decisions that cost us more and more money. It will eventually come home to roost. When sf or whoever win the next election and inevitably go on to be even worse than Ffg, a vacuum for more extreme right wing views will eventually be created imo. It’s the path we are on.
With modernization and new tech you'd honestly wonder if it was possible for some sort of system without politicians, or at least a great reduction in their numbers, where the people can vote on every issue via their phone or something. I know we might be years away from that yet, but surely it's possible?
Liberalism is a Trojan Horse.
I believe there are very few racists in Ireland. I also believe that if the government put this amnesty to the people, an overwhelming majority would vote against it.
I'm not angry.
Exactly, don't do it. And even post Brexit, Britain cannot control it's borders, with criminals profiting from the sorry tale. It's bad news all round.
We’re heading for the same issues that plague the uk and ultimately the same political turmoil they find themselves in because our own government/political class just keep finding new ways to make us more angry.
I'm questioning your shoddy logic, and to even answer the question is to enter a midfield, because your "racist" and normal peoples usage of the term is very different.
Normal persons interpretation: I don't blacks, I don't like Jews= racist
Yours: We should reduce mass immigration because of cultural cohesion, cost of living, rise in crime= racist
My initial post made no judgment on the numbers, I've spoken many times before that it's somewhat hard to gauge, which is why it's best not to engage with you in most instances, as you rarely answer questions, while asking many questions of others about things that have never been said.
Are you going to join the list of posters trying to put words in my mouth. I never stated anything of the sort, so I am not sure why you felt the need to direct this statement at me.
Are you doubting racists are a minority in Ireland?
Wanting proper immigration laws is not racist.
How does that work?
The haves pay more in direct taxation overall (salaries, property tax, etc), and having more consumer power, will also pay more in indirect taxation.
Except the "haves" pay the least
It has likely been noted that these illegals will not have to worry about homelessness or income, unlike any Irishman or woman fallen on hard times.
the gap between the haves and have nots will widen
The "haves" will be expected to support/provide for the "have nots", until most people become "have nots", due to rising taxes and costs of living.
I was speaking to a owner of a busy Dublin pub last night, he's probably in his early 30s, and he was telling me he still lives at home with his parents even though he owns/run a successful bar. We're going to end up like Asian cultures, where several generations all live under the same roof soon due to what's happening here. Once if you paid enough you could get somewhere to live in most instances, now days money doesn't even make much of a difference.
I'm expressing my opinion. I will continue to express it whether you like it or not.
Be good if there was a standard few lines people could consider basing their own complaints on. Might motivate others to get moving on their own concerns.
Bit mental all this.
We have immigration laws for a reason I'm sure. When somebody breaks said law, they shouldn't be getting rewarded.
We have plenty able body people sitting on their ass collecting welfare that should be doing the jobs illegals are.
That makes no sense. You believe that most opponents to this amnesty are not contributing? Explain that in a little more detail.
Can’t wait to see more of a ‘progressive’ Ireland….
more crime, less deterrent… not enough Gardai or prison places…
less availability of housing, too much demand
dig outs… social welfare / disability payment’s plateauing despite inflation as not enough money in the kitty
transport infrastructure for our skyrocketing population unaffordable… serious Q’s for trains, trams, metro
more cars, impacting our environment you won’t move in the overpopulated choked up chaos in years to come it’s worse
people dying on hospital waiting lists as we can’t afford more beds or consultants so not getting seen / diagnosed or treated..
Our quality of life basically is facing a challenge like never before, and some people wish to dress it up as #progressive
‘Progressive’ is positive… the impact that mass immigration and undocumented migrants is having on our population is not progressive… neither is any amnesty to law breakers… as it is absolutely shafting us and throwing this country and it citizens, their wellbeing back into the dark ages, and under the bus….
don’t get sick
dont lose your job
dont get thrown out by a landlord, husband / wife
because this country won’t be here for you, it won’t have the capacity to be
look after your / our wellbeing… resist this or any government using our taxes to prioritise the safety, wellbeing and security of non Irish non resident people, ahead of tax paying Irish people…
you walk into a supermarket and pay 200 euros you expect to walk out with 200 euros worth of groceries… with this situation the tax we’ll pay is giving significantly less value in our basket…
we are fûcked.
I presume all applicants will have passports and be legitimate citizens of some other country. Or maybe not, I suppose if you have been in DP for the required no. of years having eaten your passport on the way here and don't know who you are, you can qualify for the scheme also.
What are our immigration laws for then? Ahem, to stop illegal entry and legalise length of stay, right to work etc. This has been so debased over the years that it is beginning to appear that those who apply legally might as well not bother and eventually qualify under the NEXT amnesty, because these will be rolling I am sure of it.
Legitimate visa applicants are in most cases obliged by their compliant employer to do the right thing. It is outrageous that a student from Rio de Janeiro having overstayed their often dodgy "student visa" status can now just live and work here for an application fee. And there are many thousands of them here right now. Not fair at all in my view.
I'll fire off an email to my local Coalition TDs and to Macker herself. I have no doubt I will get a generic reply citing compassion, and all the other buzzwords re immigration fed to them by the NGOs.
Sick of the country. Every day just seems to make me more mad and cynical. I need a holiday lol.
I'm opposed to it, I've contributed my whole life.
Well done Helen McEntee, a great scheme led by a very progressive TD.
it's what we want from america therefore we must do the same.
the requirement is the person must be contributing to the country. I would imagine most opponents to this initiative are not contributing.
Except it doesn't. These illegal migrants have already chosen to break the laws of this nation. They're not Asylum seekers fleeing persecution. They're economic migrants... so do we really want to regularise people who already consider their own desires to be more important than the laws of this nation?
Secondly, it's not in everyone's interest. Regularisation means that these people will gain access to welfare supports, and other services/supports provided to legal migrants in the country. More people means less resources available for those who have chosen to come/stay here legally, but also, increases pressure to take resources away from disadvantaged Irish groups. Since Ireland is still a relatively small economy, and has limited actual revenue to provide for people.
Third, there's no guarantee that these illegals will stop working without paying tax, or change the habits developed while living here illegally. Or even that they won't disappear again as illegals when/if their legal lifestyle doesn't work out.
The Amnesty doesn't make sense at all, because we have requirements that are extended to all migrants who want to come and live in Ireland. Any new migrant will be required to meet those requirements...
"It's in everyone's interest that people aren't vulnerable to exploitation and have a future to work towards."
So why don't the Government prosecute the restaurants, hotels etc that hired illegal immigrants in the first place? Has the memory of GAMA faded that quickly?
It's in everyone's interest
Stop telling people what their interests are. People have a right to decide what they want and want they don't want. In my view a nation who rewards criminals, might as well be criminals themselves.
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