Yes that's one interpretation that I would regard as most realistic, that Russia is putting all those troops on the border as a warning to Ukraine over their strengthening ties with the USA, this does not mean an invasion is imminent, the situation would have to escalate severely for that to happen. The same thing would and has happened if Russia was getting too close to one of America's neighbors, America would feel threatened and would also react in the same way.
I along with the Ukrainian president don't believe the American narrative that the troops are there for an "imminent invasion" and that Russia is "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".
Try and put yourself in Russias shoes for just a moment, If America was building increasingly close ties with Mexico, ties which would very much strengthen the Russian position if a future world conflict broke out, then the United States would rightfully so want this to stop for their own security. They would not let Russia strengthen it's security at the cost of their own.
I patiently wait now to be labelled a conspiracy theorist who has fell victim to Russia propaganda. I am simply taking a realistic non Hollywood look at the situation.
Definitely looking like a concerted effort to either derail or close to the thread all together ...
Military exercises to demonstrate capability and deter military adventurism by its neighbours? Russia carried out the Tsentr 2019 exercises which by all accounts involved 128,000 troops, 600 aircraft and 15 naval vessels. Kavkaz 2020 was a military exercise involving 80,000 troops. So 100,000 troops isn't unusual for a Russian military exercise. Either way, their presence has already made Ukraine think again before launching an offensive against the Russian separatists in the east of the country.
If you want to know what an invasion force looks like, Gulf War 1 - the invasion of Iraqi occupied Kuwait - involved close to a million troops, including 700,000 US troops. 100,000 is nowhere near enough to take Ukraine (roughly 35 times larges than Kuwait, 10 times the population) , let alone hold it.
And perhaps the redeployment of troops is simply a decision by Russia that it needs to treat its Ukrainian border more seriously than it has in the past and increased troops guarding the Russian border is the new normal.
You're very quick to throw out insults at other posters, but maybe you should spend the time thinking more. None of the above requires any special knowledge. Just common sense.
So you've nothing?
There's that 'everyone' again. So you've no examples of me attacking?
I'd say that's the extent of your reading list and literary material on your bookshelf alright.
your ‘contributions’ to the thread remind me of Ross O’Carroll-Kelly for some reason.
What an equivocal, evasive and weasel-like reply to a straight question.
You know full well what the forces and material build-up is for, you just don't want to post it because you've spent the entire thread polluting peoples eyeballs with off-topic nonsense and conspiracy theories to derail discussion of what Russia is up to. And secondly, it's embarrassing to you given the stance you've taken.
The kindest possible interpretation is that Putin is using the threat of war to crowbar a sovereign state away from its own freely chosen path and to extract geopolitical concessions, the worst-case scenario is he fully intends to invade.
What are Russian forces doing in Libya exactly .....??????
My brain is hijacked how? I'm literally just listening to the concerns of Ukraine and other countries who claim that the Western narrative on the build up of troops is far from clear in being an accurate description of Russia's plans.
I really don't know much about it as I doubt any of us do so it's hard for me to say what the build up of troops is all about, I guess the situation could be compared with the Cuban missile crisis, which escalated into an international crisis when American deployments of missiles in Italy and Turkey were matched by Soviet deployments of similar missiles in Cuba, there's all sorts of games being played by Russia and the USA behind the scenes I don't see how people on here are claiming to know it all and they know exactly what's going on, it could possibly be just some sort of warning to Ukraine over their strengthening relations with US and they actually have no plans of invading.
And the magical mystery conspiracy theory tour is off to Libya now lads.
Looks like it's calling at all stations except Russia for Fudd and Harry.
Yes Libya, another ‘humanitarian’ war when the UK used, yes used the hardline Libyan Islamic Fighting Group to overthrow Gadaffi.
These UK based jihadists were allowed to travel unhindered back and forth between the UK and Libya and as assets were obviously known to the authorities. This terrorist group went on to commit the Manchester Arena atrocity.
No doubt the media described these jihadists as ‘rebels’ and ‘activists’.
You literally said in your post earlier on that the Ukrainians dispute the numbers on the border even and that the west are exaggerating. Ive sent you a video there of the Ukranian UN envoy backing up those numbers, clear as crystal. And as he asked in that very speech to the Russians, what are those troops, weapons systems and vehicles doing there? He says himself Ukraine do not trust Russian claims that they do not plan to invade. This is from Ukraine. Youre completely backtracking now.
If all these military buildup, including in the sea isnt for an invasion, or the absolute threat of an invasion then what is it? You said yourself they could annex eastern Ukraine regions. that is an invasion.
What are the numerous (your words) possible reasons for a troop and material build-up of this scale if an intention to invade isn't one of the courses Putin intends to take?
Mass picnic retreat for the Russian army? Camping practice? The barracks facilities all over Russia elsewhere are getting fumigated?
Let's hear it Harry, because if an invasion or the threat of invasion isn't what's going down, this concentration of war material and troops really takes some explaining.
I'll say it again, your brain is hijacked
Great post on misinformation by Russia, what I disagree with is that most people on here seem to think Russia are the only ones who engage in that sort of behaviour, the Americans do it more than anyone else, they were completely fabricating the Libyan situation to hide that fact that what they were actually doing was backing a minority of hard-line extremists so they could reach their actual goal of regime change under false humanitarian concerns.
They are using similar misinformation tactics to portray the view that the build up of Russian troops on the border is because they are planning "an imminent invasion" and are "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion", when there are numerous possible reasons for the build up of the troops on the border.
As the Ukrainian president has said himself, "The interpretation in the West and specifically the media campaign, the scare about an imminent Russian invasion, should be viewed carefully, This narrative is fed by nameless, anonymous officials to the media, while it’s far from clear that this is an accurate description of Russian plans".
It's very possible to be partisan without resorting to lies. All you need to do is be selective about what information you choose to highlight or omit details that don't suit the narrative that you are trying to portray.
That article is full of that kind of sleight of hand. Here is a paragraph about the Crimean referendum in a section where the narrative subtext that he's driving at is along the lines of "It's overwhemingly Russian anyway"
The peninsula—82% of whose households speak Russian, and only 2% mainly Ukrainian—held a plebiscite in March 2014 on whether or not they should join Russia, or remain under the new Ukrainian government. The Pro-Russia camp won with 95% of the vote.
All of that is true. He pulls a few tricks though:
That's just one paragraph in one section. The whole piece is full of that kind of thing. He's clever so it's subtle. You'd need to do some work if you weren't familiar with the subject matter to realise that he's not giving you the full picture - ironically enough considering the whole premise of the website appears to be a critique of media bias.
None of your post actually articulates what they are doing there.
Despite being asked I think 8 times now in two days.
Why are over 100k Russian troops on multiple Ukrainian borders
Why.
Is there an immediate threat to Russia? Perhaps they can ask the EU for friendly assistance for this immediate threat to Russia.
Why would they be there? It doesn't make sense maybe you can help us understand.
Six ships from the Baltic and Northern fleets in the Med at the moment with 60 tanks and 1,500 troops on board heading for the Black Sea.
Various Naval exercises, convenient for Russian ships not to be stuck in relatively land locked home ports.
100,000+ troops along Ukraine's border. Why not Finland or China's border.
Equipment moved from the far Eastern end of Russia 9,000km to where, oh yeah, Ukraine's border.
Reservists equipment has started to move.
Medical supplies moved.
Troops living in tents in the field in January.
Not to mention the already established occupation of Donbas and illegal annexation of Crimea.
Cyber attacks on Germany's fuel supplies.
And much more...
Nope, Putin's definitely not going to invade, not a hope, never happen.
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@rock22 Biden will give Putin the assurance regarding Russian security and live up to the promises made in the 90's by NATO then the matter would be resolved overnight.
The fact that NATO now reneging on those promises made regarding expansion and moving troops to positions to threaten Russia makes it extremely difficult for the Russians to have any trust in the West.
Sorry never happened
The party can begin.
If Biden will give Putin the assurance regarding Russian security and live up to the promises made in the 90's by NATO then the matter would be resolved overnight.
However not to worry, Boris Johnson is heading to the area and as we all know UK prime ministers , especially the present one, can always be trusted.
@Harryd225
The Ukrainians are disputing is the Western narrative,
No ,
Your interpretation
As I said before, what the Ukrainians are disputing is the Western narrative, that the Russians have put those troops there as they are preparing to invade, I've been claiming the Americans and British are hyping the situation up and making the threat seem far worse than it actually is, you and other posters have constantly made things up claiming I am saying there is no threat at all.
As The president said himself in his interview on Friday, "The interpretation in the West and specifically the media campaign, the scare about an imminent Russian invasion, should be viewed carefully, This narrative is fed by nameless, anonymous officials to the media, while it’s far from clear that this is an accurate description of Russian plans".
Yet you and other posters do not know how to argue with this very valid point and claim I am saying that there is no threat at all, I don't believe an invasion is "imminent" and I don't believe Russia are "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people" as the intelligence agencies of the UK and US and their governments are claiming. Not that these points matter, you and the rest will make up your own conspiracies that nobody believes in your next post and then try and use it to discredit the genuine questions of the narrative by me, Russia, China and even Ukraine themselves.
Did i read a post about Russian media Earlier if people wanted to know what was really happening in Ukraine.
All Russian media is controlled by the Kremlin there is no freedom of press or opposition to Kremlin opinion,
It's all nato has surrounded Russia and are preparing to invade only putin is stopping the Nato tanks from smashing through the border and racing straight to Moscow and forcing freedom on Russians .
The ukraine narrative is of the far right taking over ukraine and actively carrying out Genocide of the Russian population in Ukraine ,and regularly report how separatists have found new mass Graves in eastern Ukraine
Boris has arrived in Ukraine 😀
For Harry. The Ukranians last night seem to think there's a threatening Russian force on their borders. And they also seem to agree with them spoofers in the U.S about the numbers of them. They also ask Russia what theyre doing there. Once again Harry, why do you think there is Russian forces surrounding Ukraine on three sides?
They link to their sources. One small point of difference being that FAIR are tiny non-profit, whereas the media organizations they criticize are monopolistic, massive, for-profit companies that have gargantuan budgets and play favoritism with companies, people and personalities in positions of actual power.
That article and study is specifically talking about the UK and USA. I know that they mostly supported it I remember that.
I'm talking about the wider western world. In places where the majority of people got to see events in a clear eyed and balanced way and realised that the whole thing was a farce. People were protesting all over Europe and in places like Australia and right here in Ireland. The French and Germans flat out refused to support the war (leadiing to the ludicrous "Freedom Fries" episode in the USA).
That article you linked isn't exactly the even-handed looked behind the curtains that it's portraying itself to be though. It engages in exactly the sort of selective editing that it itself is accusing those media organisations of in order to portray things in a certain slant.
It's basically the Clare Daly/Mick Wallace hard-left view of things where everything the USA does is bad and everyone who opposes them is therefore good. I also noted that a lot of the other pieces written by that author are pro-Maduro pieces on Venezuela which is more of the same.
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