Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
Apart from discussion fora it appears that no one is allowed to know what people are thinking at all. Not one politician is questioning this (to my knowledge). Do they believe that their constituents are 100% in favour or do they even care? If not, why not?
Because the electorate have little real power to influence politicians decisions.
The politicians lose favour and what happens? They lose the following election, but continue to be in the game for the next election. It takes something rather serious for a politician to ever face real negative consequences for their choices while in power (which is very rare). Just look at the Banking crash, and the lack of accountability for anyone involved.
The political parties understand that there are no other real options for the electorate, if they're united on certain issues, and without those alternatives, people will continue voting them in because of their sense of loyalty/tradition, but even if that doesn't happen, memories fade, and they'll be back in again a few years down the line. All the while, someone else in politics or business will scratch their backs, appointing them to some position, and their lifestyles will be guaranteed. In any case, with something like immigration, all the political parties are pumping the same tune, so losing voters to another party doesn't stop the agenda being pushed through.
IMHO Irish politicians don't care what people think, because we're no threat to them. I wouldn't say that resistance is futile, because I can't ever really recall the Irish population resisting, and consistently putting it to the political elite. Hopefully, things will change with some reasonable alternative political parties, but honestly, I doubt it will. Not in my lifetime anyway.
I support the regularisation of people's status. It's in everyone's interest that people aren't vulnerable to exploitation and have a future to work towards.
Of course proper vetting has to be part of the process but in general it makes sense.
The Irish political class simply don't care in any real sense, nearly every policy they've pushed in the last few years, has no measurable wide support. Out voters let them get away with it too, because at end of the day it doesn't matter who's in power in Ireland, everything stays much the same regardless of the party. I'd personally be in favor of a complete political reset in Ireland, start from scratch again, with a genuine involvement for the people, and not special interest groups, and NGOs, as they've more power than every Irish voters as it stands.
Are you doubting that racists are a minority in this country tomtomtim?
McEntee is not on a solo run with this. Remember that folks, and I often wonder about the collective cabinet thinking behind it, or do they have permanent blinkers on and are ploughing on regardless of people's views.
Many voters are homeless in the voting sense now, between a rock and a hard place. The print media, radio, TV will not question it, so we are totally voiceless, which is not good for democracy.
So we have MUP, automatic own door accommodation for asylum seekers whether legitimate or not, and now this. I cannot be the only one who feels disempowered completely. Sad to say but resistance is futile.
You made the affirmative statement, not him.
HAHA a few weeks ago there was a thread questioning whether the Irish (as a whole) are racist and another thread further back warning about the far-right being on the verge of taking over the country. Make up yer minds lads. 😂
How do you know its not?
We are a representative democracy so we assume that those we vote for will deal with such things. People do take Constitutional referenda seriously and wouldn't take too kindly to politicians casually using them to show they were unable to make decisions themselves. Legislation and policies always welcome public submissions, which is a far better way to do it.
Progressive thinking: The Irish are racist, but the racists are also a tiny minority when it's convenient for them. They love their sweet spot, just enough to cause worry, but not enough to cause change.
Better question, is why anyone who supported such a referendum should be considered a racist?
There have been threads in the past which focused on Irish immigration to the US... with posters saying that they should be deported if they were there illegally. Just as there have been threads, similar to this one, where posters said Irish people in the US should be deported/prosecuted per the law.
There's a lot of people out there with no patience for anyone evading the law.
Oh I agree with this, I think people in this country are way down on the list of people the political system prioritise
How do you know it's a minority?
Neither they nor FF tend to campaign for referenda as much as other parties and usually leave it more up to civic groups instead. 2004 was a given anyway, the only question was by how much.
We tend not to do general referenda just Constitutional ones. Far too easy for a government to find itself in a position it hadn't planned for - see Brexit.
Yes. This discussion was had before a few years ago, and we all said they should be deported too, every last one of them. It's an Irish forum about Irish politics, so we're obviously more focused on what happens here than there too.
Irish illegals should be chucked out of America
Were there threads on here calling for the Irish illegals to be chucked out of America?
but I still find it interesting that apparently so many on here
Your use of apparently doesn't inspire much confidence that you're all that informed about what posters here have said in the past. Seems almost like you've made up your objection out of nothing...
I didn't say a referendum was racist.
I said the government is not going to hold an ordinary referendum to appease a minority of racists (in this country)
I and every single person I know have never called for an amnmesty for illegal Irish immigrants in America. Ever.
I don't care if a handful of politicians did over the years.
The only opinion I ever heard was, if your illegal Irish in America and you get caught then you're caught, tough sh*t.
And that's fine on an individual basis but I still find it interesting that apparently so many on here waited till this recent announcement to call for the thousands of illegal Irish to be chucked out of America.
Where were they all hiding the last five decades of so?????
Or my good friend Vlad for Russia, who loves God, and doesn't have much time for secular liberals.
Not one person has ever denied the fact that Irish people live in America illegally, we've all dealt with the arguments hundreds of times, yet you're pretending that we're not even aware of it for ideological reasons? Desperate stuff.
And I am fully behind the Americans or any other country chucking them out if they're illegal.
A sizable proportion of Irish emigrants to America in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s were 'illegals ' or 'undocumented ' which was the preferred term in Ireland. This is a simple fact but it's portrayed as irrelevant in this current debate by those it suits. You can argue as to whether doing so is down to national amnesia or something more sinister.
To put it in your terms 'the Irish wuz illegals too'
In fact many still are.
It's probably racist, best not to bother. I can't see sorcha pollak too bothered about doing a new to the parish article about Craig n Jo from the Wirral either!
Let's face it, the overwhelming result of 2004 Amendment has stuck in the craws of the Radical Left/NGO Industrial Complex for the last 17 years. In that time, Irish people have also gotten to see the results of "Diversity" across Europe in glorious technicolour. So they can accurately see that the public attitude to this is going to be nothing short of hostile. Throw in the upcoming bill for Covid, an increase in taxes and reduction in services, and that hostility will grow.
There is no chance in hell this group wants the public involved in any decision re: Migration. Hence all the cloak-and-dagger, behind-the-scenes activity to railroad policy through. Such as this Amnesty. And O'Gorman's fantasy. The Government is currently trying to outmaneuver "Woke" (lol) Fein, and gain kudos in the media, by implementing this idiocy. And the legal parasites will make a fortune. It's win-win for all stakeholders except the stakeholder that really matters.
The taxpayer.
So start holding your politicians to account for this stuff. Email them, tweet them, petition them and if they don't reply, don't vote for them. And tell them that you won't.
Well.. if we're supposed to be balancing Irish immigration, shouldn't that mean we encourage immigration from countries where Irish people did end up in? (i.e. mostly other western nations) Can't imagine that many Irish people ended up in Nigeria or Syria to balance the numbers that have come from there.
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